And, it's not like all these on-premise servers has 100% uptime over the past few years, what with malware, power issues, hardware failures, mistaken configuration problems, and upgrade woes.
Problems happen. Everywhere. * * *ASB* *http://XeeMe.com/AndrewBaker* *Harnessing the Advantages of Technology for the SMB market… * On Fri, Jul 6, 2012 at 2:30 AM, Steven Peck <sep...@gmail.com> wrote: > Well then, let's put things in perspective. I've had my personal mail > domain hosted by Microsoft for several years now and I've never experienced > an outage. I know someone with Office 365 and he did. > > So, have they had outages? Gmail, Hotmail, Yahoo.... sure. For > everyone? Was it just the free services or ALL of the pay services. Let's > not get into claiming that it affected millions on millions of people when > most of the time a few hundred to a few thousand were affected and most had > service restored in a few hours. > > We have some resilience with various apps at work and we work really hard > to maintain uptime, yet the storage team missed a small, yet evidently very > important check box on the new SAN last weekend and as a result, Monday was > a joy to be in the office. The only thing we could do was wait for the > storage team to correct the issue which just took time. > > So the cloud is no different then anyone's office. If you have a paid > service then you have SLA's and penalties for those not being met. > > Three of our various data centers will also being going upgrades to the > power in the next few months. While we have some resilience, we aren't > that large that we will have all services available when we shut the main > site down. AS a result, we get an outage. > > On Thu, Jul 5, 2012 at 4:30 PM, Greg Sweers <gswe...@acts360.com> wrote: > >> I would say for organizations with less than 200 people scheduled >> downtime is the norm. That is getting shorter with the combination of >> "Cloud" technologies and as hardware continues to get cheaper. I agree >> that larger organizations can afford the technology to prevent downtime as >> their downtime cost around a 24x7 schedule is easily justified with an ROI. >> I don’t know any SMB's that can't afford an hour downtime in the middle of >> the night for automatic patching, reboots, etc...and most of them do LOB >> apps upgrades once or twice a year for a few hours.. Hardly a business >> case for that kind of tech/software. >> >> Greg Sweers >> CEO >> ACTS360.com >> P.O. Box 1193 >> Brandon, FL 33509 >> 813-657-0849 Office >> 813-758-6850 Cell >> 813-341-1270 Fax >> >> >> -----Original Message----- >> From: Kurt Buff [mailto:kurt.b...@gmail.com] >> Sent: Thursday, July 05, 2012 7:15 PM >> To: NT System Admin Issues >> Subject: Re: No more SBS >> >> Scheduled downtime is a good thing, especially in SMBs - when you don't >> have monetary resources, you use time and energy. Most small businesses >> have times when they're not staffed, and those are good times to do >> patching, upgrading, reconfiguring, etc. >> >> Larger businesses have the resources to pull these things off behind the >> scenes. >> >> Kurt >> >> On Thu, Jul 5, 2012 at 3:11 PM, Michael B. Smith <mich...@smithcons.com> >> wrote: >> > Eh, downtime is downtime. Call me oldschool. >> > >> > -----Original Message----- >> > From: Kurt Buff [mailto:kurt.b...@gmail.com] >> > Sent: Thursday, July 05, 2012 6:07 PM >> > To: NT System Admin Issues >> > Subject: Re: No more SBS >> > >> > There have been major outages of several hours each in several of the >> major cloud providers at the most inconvenient times - scheduled downtime >> is one thing, unscheduled outages another. >> > >> > On Thu, Jul 5, 2012 at 12:19 PM, Steven Peck <sep...@gmail.com> wrote: >> >> eh? Poor uptime records for clouds? >> >> >> >> On Thu, Jul 5, 2012 at 11:57 AM, Kurt Buff <kurt.b...@gmail.com> >> wrote: >> >>> >> >>> This is unfortunate thinking, given the poor uptime record for >> >>> clouds in general, and it's worse when you consider connectivity >> >>> issues as part of that equation. >> >>> >> >>> Kurt >> >>> >> >>> On Thu, Jul 5, 2012 at 11:16 AM, Rod Trent <rodtr...@myitforum.com> >> wrote: >> >>> > Microsoft assumes, as do a lot of others, that small business are >> >>> > the easiest to move to the cloud and actually get the most, >> >>> > immediate benefit. >> >>> > No need for on-premise hardware. >> >>> > >> >>> > >> >>> > >> >>> > >> >>> > >> >>> > From: Michael B. Smith [mailto:mich...@smithcons.com] >> >>> > Sent: Thursday, July 05, 2012 1:48 PM >> >>> >> >>> > >> >>> > >> >>> > To: NT System Admin Issues >> >>> > Subject: RE: No more SBS >> >>> >> >>> > >> >>> > >> >>> > >> >>> > There will continue to be a SBS 2011 Essentials. But it doesn’t >> >>> > include SQL or Exchange. >> >>> > >> >>> > >> >>> > >> >>> > I disagree with their decision, as does every SBS MVP. :-P >> >>> > >> >>> > >> >>> > >> >>> > However, I see it as an ongoing “move to the Enterprise” for >> Microsoft. >> >>> > They >> >>> > are abandoning their small business roots. >> >>> > >> >>> > >> >>> > >> >>> > From: Webster [mailto:webs...@carlwebster.com] >> >>> > Sent: Thursday, July 05, 2012 1:33 PM >> >>> >> >>> > To: NT System Admin Issues >> >>> > Subject: No more SBS >> >>> > >> >>> > >> >>> > >> >>> > I don’t see the product in the environments I work in but >> >>> > Microsoft says no more SBS. >> >>> > >> >>> > >> >>> > >> >>> > >> >>> > http://www.zdnet.com/microsoft-goes-public-with-windows-server-201 >> >>> > 2 >> >>> > -versions-licensing-7000000341/ >> >>> > >> >>> > >> >>> > >> >>> > >> >>> > http://download.microsoft.com/download/4/D/B/4DB352D1-C610-466A-9A >> >>> > A F-EEF4F4CFFF27/WS2012_Licensing-Pricing_FAQ.pdf >> >>> > >> >>> > >> >>> > >> >>> > Q33. Will there be a next version of Windows Small Business Server >> >>> > 2011 Standard? >> >>> > >> >>> > No. Windows Small Business Server 2011 Standard, which includes >> >>> > Exchange Server and Windows server component products, will be the >> >>> > final such Windows Server offering. This change is in response to >> >>> > small business market trends and behavior. The small business >> >>> > computing trends are moving in the direction of cloud computing >> >>> > for applications and services such as email, online back-up and >> >>> > line-of-business tools. 13 >> >>> > >> >>> > >> >>> > >> >>> > Q34. Will there be a next version of Windows Small Business 2011 >> >>> > Premium Add-on? >> >>> > >> >>> > No. Windows Small Business Server 2011 Premium Add-on, which >> >>> > includes SQL Server and Windows Server as component products, will >> >>> > be the final such Windows Server offering. >> >>> > >> >>> > >> >>> > >> >>> > >> >>> > >> >>> > Carl Webster >> >>> > >> >>> > Consultant and Citrix Technology Professional >> >>> > >> >>> > http://www.CarlWebster.com >> >>> >> > ~ Finally, powerful endpoint security that ISN'T a resource hog! ~ ~ <http://www.sunbeltsoftware.com/Business/VIPRE-Enterprise/> ~ --- To manage subscriptions click here: http://lyris.sunbelt-software.com/read/my_forums/ or send an email to listmana...@lyris.sunbeltsoftware.com with the body: unsubscribe ntsysadmin
