It's about appropriately determining risk you want to take. I've had a huge push to adopt cloud services for much of our infrastructure. I always turn it back, how much time can we risk being without access to our data/resources on the busiest day of the year? When it's in the cloud, I can't do a make-fix solution to get partial access restored.
Problems do happen everywhere. In some places though, I can be in a position to workaround them or I can be standing around useless like everyone else. On Sun, Jul 8, 2012 at 1:28 PM, Andrew S. Baker <asbz...@gmail.com> wrote: > And, it's not like all these on-premise servers has 100% uptime over the > past few years, what with malware, power issues, hardware failures, > mistaken configuration problems, and upgrade woes. > > Problems happen. Everywhere. > > * * > > *ASB* *http://XeeMe.com/AndrewBaker* *Harnessing the Advantages of > Technology for the SMB market… > > * > > > > On Fri, Jul 6, 2012 at 2:30 AM, Steven Peck <sep...@gmail.com> wrote: > >> Well then, let's put things in perspective. I've had my personal mail >> domain hosted by Microsoft for several years now and I've never experienced >> an outage. I know someone with Office 365 and he did. >> >> So, have they had outages? Gmail, Hotmail, Yahoo.... sure. For >> everyone? Was it just the free services or ALL of the pay services. Let's >> not get into claiming that it affected millions on millions of people when >> most of the time a few hundred to a few thousand were affected and most had >> service restored in a few hours. >> >> We have some resilience with various apps at work and we work really hard >> to maintain uptime, yet the storage team missed a small, yet evidently very >> important check box on the new SAN last weekend and as a result, Monday was >> a joy to be in the office. The only thing we could do was wait for the >> storage team to correct the issue which just took time. >> >> So the cloud is no different then anyone's office. If you have a paid >> service then you have SLA's and penalties for those not being met. >> >> Three of our various data centers will also being going upgrades to the >> power in the next few months. While we have some resilience, we aren't >> that large that we will have all services available when we shut the main >> site down. AS a result, we get an outage. >> >> On Thu, Jul 5, 2012 at 4:30 PM, Greg Sweers <gswe...@acts360.com> wrote: >> >>> I would say for organizations with less than 200 people scheduled >>> downtime is the norm. That is getting shorter with the combination of >>> "Cloud" technologies and as hardware continues to get cheaper. I agree >>> that larger organizations can afford the technology to prevent downtime as >>> their downtime cost around a 24x7 schedule is easily justified with an ROI. >>> I don’t know any SMB's that can't afford an hour downtime in the middle of >>> the night for automatic patching, reboots, etc...and most of them do LOB >>> apps upgrades once or twice a year for a few hours.. Hardly a business >>> case for that kind of tech/software. >>> >>> Greg Sweers >>> CEO >>> ACTS360.com >>> P.O. Box 1193 >>> Brandon, FL 33509 >>> 813-657-0849 Office >>> 813-758-6850 Cell >>> 813-341-1270 Fax >>> >>> >>> -----Original Message----- >>> From: Kurt Buff [mailto:kurt.b...@gmail.com] >>> Sent: Thursday, July 05, 2012 7:15 PM >>> To: NT System Admin Issues >>> Subject: Re: No more SBS >>> >>> Scheduled downtime is a good thing, especially in SMBs - when you don't >>> have monetary resources, you use time and energy. Most small businesses >>> have times when they're not staffed, and those are good times to do >>> patching, upgrading, reconfiguring, etc. >>> >>> Larger businesses have the resources to pull these things off behind the >>> scenes. >>> >>> Kurt >>> >>> On Thu, Jul 5, 2012 at 3:11 PM, Michael B. Smith <mich...@smithcons.com> >>> wrote: >>> > Eh, downtime is downtime. Call me oldschool. >>> > >>> > -----Original Message----- >>> > From: Kurt Buff [mailto:kurt.b...@gmail.com] >>> > Sent: Thursday, July 05, 2012 6:07 PM >>> > To: NT System Admin Issues >>> > Subject: Re: No more SBS >>> > >>> > There have been major outages of several hours each in several of the >>> major cloud providers at the most inconvenient times - scheduled downtime >>> is one thing, unscheduled outages another. >>> > >>> > On Thu, Jul 5, 2012 at 12:19 PM, Steven Peck <sep...@gmail.com> wrote: >>> >> eh? Poor uptime records for clouds? >>> >> >>> >> On Thu, Jul 5, 2012 at 11:57 AM, Kurt Buff <kurt.b...@gmail.com> >>> wrote: >>> >>> >>> >>> This is unfortunate thinking, given the poor uptime record for >>> >>> clouds in general, and it's worse when you consider connectivity >>> >>> issues as part of that equation. >>> >>> >>> >>> Kurt >>> >>> >>> >>> On Thu, Jul 5, 2012 at 11:16 AM, Rod Trent <rodtr...@myitforum.com> >>> wrote: >>> >>> > Microsoft assumes, as do a lot of others, that small business are >>> >>> > the easiest to move to the cloud and actually get the most, >>> >>> > immediate benefit. >>> >>> > No need for on-premise hardware. >>> >>> > >>> >>> > >>> >>> > >>> >>> > >>> >>> > >>> >>> > From: Michael B. Smith [mailto:mich...@smithcons.com] >>> >>> > Sent: Thursday, July 05, 2012 1:48 PM >>> >>> >>> >>> > >>> >>> > >>> >>> > To: NT System Admin Issues >>> >>> > Subject: RE: No more SBS >>> >>> >>> >>> > >>> >>> > >>> >>> > >>> >>> > There will continue to be a SBS 2011 Essentials. But it doesn’t >>> >>> > include SQL or Exchange. >>> >>> > >>> >>> > >>> >>> > >>> >>> > I disagree with their decision, as does every SBS MVP. :-P >>> >>> > >>> >>> > >>> >>> > >>> >>> > However, I see it as an ongoing “move to the Enterprise” for >>> Microsoft. >>> >>> > They >>> >>> > are abandoning their small business roots. >>> >>> > >>> >>> > >>> >>> > >>> >>> > From: Webster [mailto:webs...@carlwebster.com] >>> >>> > Sent: Thursday, July 05, 2012 1:33 PM >>> >>> >>> >>> > To: NT System Admin Issues >>> >>> > Subject: No more SBS >>> >>> > >>> >>> > >>> >>> > >>> >>> > I don’t see the product in the environments I work in but >>> >>> > Microsoft says no more SBS. >>> >>> > >>> >>> > >>> >>> > >>> >>> > >>> >>> > http://www.zdnet.com/microsoft-goes-public-with-windows-server-201 >>> >>> > 2 >>> >>> > -versions-licensing-7000000341/ >>> >>> > >>> >>> > >>> >>> > >>> >>> > >>> >>> > http://download.microsoft.com/download/4/D/B/4DB352D1-C610-466A-9A >>> >>> > A F-EEF4F4CFFF27/WS2012_Licensing-Pricing_FAQ.pdf >>> >>> > >>> >>> > >>> >>> > >>> >>> > Q33. Will there be a next version of Windows Small Business Server >>> >>> > 2011 Standard? >>> >>> > >>> >>> > No. Windows Small Business Server 2011 Standard, which includes >>> >>> > Exchange Server and Windows server component products, will be the >>> >>> > final such Windows Server offering. This change is in response to >>> >>> > small business market trends and behavior. The small business >>> >>> > computing trends are moving in the direction of cloud computing >>> >>> > for applications and services such as email, online back-up and >>> >>> > line-of-business tools. 13 >>> >>> > >>> >>> > >>> >>> > >>> >>> > Q34. Will there be a next version of Windows Small Business 2011 >>> >>> > Premium Add-on? >>> >>> > >>> >>> > No. Windows Small Business Server 2011 Premium Add-on, which >>> >>> > includes SQL Server and Windows Server as component products, will >>> >>> > be the final such Windows Server offering. >>> >>> > >>> >>> > >>> >>> > >>> >>> > >>> >>> > >>> >>> > Carl Webster >>> >>> > >>> >>> > Consultant and Citrix Technology Professional >>> >>> > >>> >>> > http://www.CarlWebster.com >>> >>> >>> >> ~ Finally, powerful endpoint security that ISN'T a resource hog! ~ > ~ <http://www.sunbeltsoftware.com/Business/VIPRE-Enterprise/> ~ > > --- > To manage subscriptions click here: > http://lyris.sunbelt-software.com/read/my_forums/ > or send an email to listmana...@lyris.sunbeltsoftware.com > with the body: unsubscribe ntsysadmin > ~ Finally, powerful endpoint security that ISN'T a resource hog! ~ ~ <http://www.sunbeltsoftware.com/Business/VIPRE-Enterprise/> ~ --- To manage subscriptions click here: http://lyris.sunbelt-software.com/read/my_forums/ or send an email to listmana...@lyris.sunbeltsoftware.com with the body: unsubscribe ntsysadmin
