Yes, I'm seeing that a lot more as well. * *
*ASB* *http://XeeMe.com/AndrewBaker* *Harnessing the Advantages of Technology for the SMB market… * On Mon, Jul 9, 2012 at 10:02 AM, Michael B. Smith <mich...@smithcons.com>wrote: > Most multi-location companies I deal with these days are using cheap > bandwidth for remote office connectivity (i.e., from the cable company) > with nailed up VPNs.**** > > ** ** > > *From:* Ben M. Schorr [mailto:b...@rolandschorr.com] > *Sent:* Monday, July 09, 2012 9:41 AM > > *To:* NT System Admin Issues > *Subject:* RE: No more SBS**** > > ** ** > > Maybe, but employees often have 10x that much bandwidth at home which > means that they feel like the office connectivity is sluggish and and poor > experience.**** > > ** ** > > Ben M. Schorr**** > > Roland Schorr & Tower**** > > www.rolandschorr.com | www.officeforlawyers.com | Twitter: @bschorr**** > > ** ** > > *From:* hotmail_b243df4f33245...@live.com > [mailto:hotmail_b243df4f33245...@live.com] *On Behalf Of *ken schaefer > *Sent:* Sunday, July 08, 2012 19:57 > *To:* NT System Admin Issues > *Subject:* RE: No more SBS**** > > ** ** > > Personally I think this is unrealistic expectations then. Most corporates > manage to run branch offices off smaller connections. Even large HQ sites > have less bandwidth/employee > > Sent from my Windows Phone**** > ------------------------------ > > *From: *Andrew S. Baker > *Sent: *9/7/2012 3:35 AM > *To: *NT System Admin Issues > *Subject: *Re: No more SBS**** > > *>>** **I would have thought that 1.5mbps is fine for a 3-4 person office. > * **** > > ** ** > > Not any more... :)**** > > ** ** > > If it were just increased file sizes, it would be one thing, but almost > every web page requires 10x the number of transactions as compared to > previous years. > **** > > *ASB***** > > *http://XeeMe.com/AndrewBaker* <http://XeeMe.com/AndrewBaker>**** > > *Harnessing the Advantages of Technology for the SMB market…***** > > > > **** > > On Fri, Jul 6, 2012 at 7:53 PM, ken schaefer <k...@adopenstatic.com> wrote: > **** > > I would have thought that 1.5mbps is fine for a 3-4 person office. It's > DSL speeds from 6-7 years ago. If you got a 3g router you'd probably have > slightly better speeds and the option of DSL/3G failover **** > > > > Sent from my Windows Phone**** > ------------------------------ > > *From: *Graeme Carstairs > *Sent: *6/7/2012 11:40 PM **** > > > *To: *NT System Admin Issues > *Subject: *Re: No more SBS**** > > I just done a speedtest on my 3g iphone and got 135ms ping, 1.5Mbps down, > and 0.5Mbps up. **** > > ** ** > > Which is fair enough its faster than some DSLs in and around Aberdeen.**** > > ** ** > > But you see my point.**** > > ** ** > > Graeme**** > > ** ** > > ** ** > > ** ** > > On 6 July 2012 13:02, Michael B. Smith <mich...@smithcons.com> wrote:**** > > I sit here in a medium-sized city in the USA – and I wish I got that > kind of performance.**** > > **** > > *From:* hotmail_b243df4f33245...@live.com [mailto: > hotmail_b243df4f33245...@live.com] *On Behalf Of *ken schaefer**** > > > *Sent:* Friday, July 06, 2012 7:54 AM**** > > ** ** > > *To:* NT System Admin Issues > *Subject:* RE: No more SBS**** > > **** > > Interesting. Most places I've been worldwide have 15mbps+ over 3G. In Aus > we have LTE which is 40mbps+ Sending a 5MB email is no issue. You can buy > 3G router devices for $200, which include failover between dsl/cable and > 3G. Just insert your SIM. I have a couple one from SG and one from Aus. > > Sent from my Windows Phone**** > ------------------------------ > > *From: *Graeme Carstairs > *Sent: *6/7/2012 8:44 PM > *To: *NT System Admin Issues > *Subject: *Re: No more SBS**** > > There is 3G, **** > > **** > > But 3G speeds for a single phone user are poor neve mind trying to run 10 > people or more through a 3G dongle to access their e-mails, and SharePoint > **** > > **** > > Dial up is also a non started people are now getting used to sending > e-mails of any size and them appearing almost instanlty,**** > > **** > > Someone sends a 5?MB file and everyone stops working for 15 minutes as > your dongle is maxed out, plus mobile data charges are horrendous as well. > **** > > **** > > For areas in the UK SBS with Exchange onsite is still the best > options for small businesses.**** > > **** > > Graeme**** > > **** > > **** > > Graeme**** > > **** > > **** > > On 6 July 2012 10:35, ken schaefer <k...@adopenstatic.com> wrote:**** > > There's no 3G/4G? **** > > > > Sent from my Windows Phone**** > ------------------------------ > > *From: *Graeme Carstairs > *Sent: *6/7/2012 7:11 PM **** > > > *To: *NT System Admin Issues > *Subject: *Re: No more SBS**** > > My big problem in the UK and in Aberdeen is that the only affordable > internet service is DSL and the majority of Exchanges are not LLU, so its > BT Wholesale service, where the SLA is"we will make a best effort to fix in > a reasonable timeframe" **** > > **** > > Now on premises SBS 2011 with Exchange links go down, you get no e-mail > from outside. **** > > **** > > Office 365 for file and and e-mail and Sharepoint, Links go down you get > no e-mail plus cant get at the rest of your stuff either.**** > > **** > > Backup DSL?? yeh from the same exchange on the same 50pair cable at the > cabinet, probably ont he same DSLAM even if you go to a different ISP its > still the BT wholesale service, so the chances are when DSL1 goes down the > backup one goes down too.**** > > **** > > Get a leased line with SLA looking into £9000 plus depending on distance > and bandwidth, per year, oh you could have a server for that and not need > the leased line.**** > > **** > > We have 5% of our Small business clients on Office 365, we did have 10% > but the 1st 2 days DSL outage and they wanted their servers back.**** > > **** > > Cloud is only as good as the links to the cloud, and unfortunately good > reliable fast links are not cost acceptable in some parts of the world.*** > * > > **** > > I know that 95% of our SBS customers will not be happy and will make the > move from Exchange to a.n. other e-mail server, and may move from MS all > together.**** > > **** > > Graeme**** > > **** > > **** > > On 6 July 2012 07:30, Steven Peck <sep...@gmail.com> wrote:**** > > Well then, let's put things in perspective. I've had my personal mail > domain hosted by Microsoft for several years now and I've never experienced > an outage. I know someone with Office 365 and he did.**** > > **** > > So, have they had outages? Gmail, Hotmail, Yahoo.... sure. For > everyone? Was it just the free services or ALL of the pay services. Let's > not get into claiming that it affected millions on millions of people when > most of the time a few hundred to a few thousand were affected and most had > service restored in a few hours.**** > > **** > > We have some resilience with various apps at work and we work really hard > to maintain uptime, yet the storage team missed a small, yet evidently very > important check box on the new SAN last weekend and as a result, Monday was > a joy to be in the office. The only thing we could do was wait for the > storage team to correct the issue which just took time.**** > > **** > > So the cloud is no different then anyone's office. If you have a paid > service then you have SLA's and penalties for those not being met.**** > > **** > > Three of our various data centers will also being going upgrades to the > power in the next few months. While we have some resilience, we aren't > that large that we will have all services available when we shut the main > site down. AS a result, we get an outage.**** > > On Thu, Jul 5, 2012 at 4:30 PM, Greg Sweers <gswe...@acts360.com> wrote:** > ** > > I would say for organizations with less than 200 people scheduled downtime > is the norm. That is getting shorter with the combination of "Cloud" > technologies and as hardware continues to get cheaper. I agree that larger > organizations can afford the technology to prevent downtime as their > downtime cost around a 24x7 schedule is easily justified with an ROI. I > don’t know any SMB's that can't afford an hour downtime in the middle of > the night for automatic patching, reboots, etc...and most of them do LOB > apps upgrades once or twice a year for a few hours.. Hardly a business > case for that kind of tech/software. > > Greg Sweers > CEO > ACTS360.com > P.O. Box 1193 > Brandon, FL 33509 > 813-657-0849 Office > 813-758-6850 Cell > 813-341-1270 Fax**** > > > > -----Original Message----- > From: Kurt Buff [mailto:kurt.b...@gmail.com]**** > > Sent: Thursday, July 05, 2012 7:15 PM > To: NT System Admin Issues > Subject: Re: No more SBS > > Scheduled downtime is a good thing, especially in SMBs - when you don't > have monetary resources, you use time and energy. Most small businesses > have times when they're not staffed, and those are good times to do > patching, upgrading, reconfiguring, etc. > > Larger businesses have the resources to pull these things off behind the > scenes. > > Kurt > > On Thu, Jul 5, 2012 at 3:11 PM, Michael B. Smith <mich...@smithcons.com> > wrote: > > Eh, downtime is downtime. Call me oldschool. > > > > -----Original Message----- > > From: Kurt Buff [mailto:kurt.b...@gmail.com] > > Sent: Thursday, July 05, 2012 6:07 PM > > To: NT System Admin Issues > > Subject: Re: No more SBS > > > > There have been major outages of several hours each in several of the > major cloud providers at the most inconvenient times - scheduled downtime > is one thing, unscheduled outages another. > > > > On Thu, Jul 5, 2012 at 12:19 PM, Steven Peck <sep...@gmail.com> wrote: > >> eh? Poor uptime records for clouds? > >> > >> On Thu, Jul 5, 2012 at 11:57 AM, Kurt Buff <kurt.b...@gmail.com> wrote: > >>> > >>> This is unfortunate thinking, given the poor uptime record for > >>> clouds in general, and it's worse when you consider connectivity > >>> issues as part of that equation. > >>> > >>> Kurt > >>> > >>> On Thu, Jul 5, 2012 at 11:16 AM, Rod Trent <rodtr...@myitforum.com> > wrote: > >>> > Microsoft assumes, as do a lot of others, that small business are > >>> > the easiest to move to the cloud and actually get the most, > >>> > immediate benefit. > >>> > No need for on-premise hardware. > >>> > > >>> > > >>> > > >>> > > >>> > > >>> > From: Michael B. Smith [mailto:mich...@smithcons.com] > >>> > Sent: Thursday, July 05, 2012 1:48 PM > >>> > >>> > > >>> > > >>> > To: NT System Admin Issues > >>> > Subject: RE: No more SBS > >>> > >>> > > >>> > > >>> > > >>> > There will continue to be a SBS 2011 Essentials. But it doesn’t > >>> > include SQL or Exchange. > >>> > > >>> > > >>> > > >>> > I disagree with their decision, as does every SBS MVP. :-P > >>> > > >>> > > >>> > > >>> > However, I see it as an ongoing “move to the Enterprise” for > Microsoft. > >>> > They > >>> > are abandoning their small business roots. > >>> > > >>> > > >>> > > >>> > From: Webster [mailto:webs...@carlwebster.com] > >>> > Sent: Thursday, July 05, 2012 1:33 PM > >>> > >>> > To: NT System Admin Issues > >>> > Subject: No more SBS > >>> > > >>> > > >>> > > >>> > I don’t see the product in the environments I work in but > >>> > Microsoft says no more SBS. > >>> > > >>> > > >>> > > >>> > > >>> > http://www.zdnet.com/microsoft-goes-public-with-windows-server-201 > >>> > 2 > >>> > -versions-licensing-7000000341/ > >>> > > >>> > > >>> > > >>> > > >>> > http://download.microsoft.com/download/4/D/B/4DB352D1-C610-466A-9A** > ** > > >>> > A F-EEF4F4CFFF27/WS2012_Licensing-Pricing_FAQ.pdf**** > > >>> > > >>> > > >>> > > >>> > Q33. Will there be a next version of Windows Small Business Server > >>> > 2011 Standard? > >>> > > >>> > No. Windows Small Business Server 2011 Standard, which includes > >>> > Exchange Server and Windows server component products, will be the > >>> > final such Windows Server offering. This change is in response to > >>> > small business market trends and behavior. The small business > >>> > computing trends are moving in the direction of cloud computing > >>> > for applications and services such as email, online back-up and > >>> > line-of-business tools. 13 > >>> > > >>> > > >>> > > >>> > Q34. Will there be a next version of Windows Small Business 2011 > >>> > Premium Add-on? > >>> > > >>> > No. Windows Small Business Server 2011 Premium Add-on, which > >>> > includes SQL Server and Windows Server as component products, will > >>> > be the final such Windows Server offering. > >>> > > >>> > > >>> > > >>> > > >>> > > >>> > Carl Webster > >>> > > >>> > Consultant and Citrix Technology Professional > >>> > > >>> > http://www.CarlWebster.com > >>> > > ~ Finally, powerful endpoint security that ISN'T a resource hog! ~ ~ <http://www.sunbeltsoftware.com/Business/VIPRE-Enterprise/> ~ --- To manage subscriptions click here: http://lyris.sunbelt-software.com/read/my_forums/ or send an email to listmana...@lyris.sunbeltsoftware.com with the body: unsubscribe ntsysadmin
