That's way beyond an AV remit. If that happened on my watch I'd have a legal 
person on to Symantec. No way should AV decide to arbitrarily remove files on 
other systems.

---Blackberried

-----Original Message-----
From: "Kennedy, Jim" <kennedy...@elyriaschools.org>
Date: Thu, 8 Nov 2012 13:48:52 
To: NT System Admin Issues<ntsysadmin@lyris.sunbelt-software.com>
Reply-To: "NT System Admin Issues" 
<ntsysadmin@lyris.sunbelt-software.com>Subject: RE: Symantec %@(*&OI:TNGF(P*

“SEP quarantined the files and then went to all machines on the network and 
quarantined them on all machines…”

Holy smokes, it decided to do that on it’s own? And quarantined the machines 
that had NOT been updated yet?

So glad I don’t run AV.


From: Robert Cato [mailto:cato.rob...@gmail.com]
Sent: Thursday, November 08, 2012 8:45 AM
To: NT System Admin Issues
Subject: Re: Symantec %@(*&OI:TNGF(P*

Ken

These two updates were only installed on a couple of Win7 machines at most. 
They were approved during the day for install overnight, a couple of users saw 
the pop-up and installed. SEP quarantined the files and then went to all 
machines on the network and quarantined them on all machines (Win7, Vista, and 
XP).

It would be nice if we had a separate network, but I'm not sure that will get 
approved.

Robert

On Thu, Nov 8, 2012 at 6:41 AM, Ken Schaefer 
<k...@adopenstatic.com<mailto:k...@adopenstatic.com>> wrote:
Even if you don’t have a separate network, you can create a separate group in 
WSUS, and put a test machine(s) with your SOE image in that group.

That would allow you to test patches prior to mass deployment. Checking for AV 
issues would be just one thing – I’d recommend that you have some test cases 
for all your important apps as well.

Cheers
Ken

From: Robert Cato [mailto:cato.rob...@gmail.com<mailto:cato.rob...@gmail.com>]
Sent: Thursday, 8 November 2012 9:48 PM
To: NT System Admin Issues
Subject: Re: Symantec %@(*&OI:TNGF(P*

Ken,

That was my first question, but it is still unanswered. I am still new at this 
%dayjob%.

In this case, the testing would have had to be done in a separate network, 
which I am fairly sure we don't have. I will take that suggestion to the table 
when we analyze the breakdowns of this incident.

Robert

On Wed, Nov 7, 2012 at 9:37 PM, Ken Schaefer 
<k...@adopenstatic.com<mailto:k...@adopenstatic.com>> wrote:
No matter who you migrate to, you’ll also run into issues (false positives seem 
to occur all the time, with all vendors).

Did you test the patches before releasing to Production? Might be worth beefing 
up the testing regime.

From: Robert Cato [mailto:cato.rob...@gmail.com<mailto:cato.rob...@gmail.com>]
Sent: Thursday, 8 November 2012 5:22 AM
To: NT System Admin Issues
Subject: Symantec %@(*&OI:TNGF(P*


FYI

We approved two MS patches yesterday (KB2574819 KB2592687) in WSUS. One user 
installed the two updates in the afternoon and Symantec Endpoint Protection 12 
with several advanced features enabled (threat protection, hurestics, SONAR, 
etc). SEP quarrantined 15 system files, run32.dll among them. The real problems 
started when SEP decided to quarantine the files across all ~600 workstations 
taking us completely offline.

The fix was to boot each workstation into safe mode and removing SEP.

It was a long night.

The good news:
None of the advanced features were enabled on the servers.
We are migrating away from SEP as of this morning.

Robert



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