If they changed that to a 90 day grace period, then they will limit themselves 
in another way (Maybe a single SSID, or limited bandwidth, or limited antenna 
power, something like that...) I would feel better about it.

I just hate having to deal with anything that _depends_ on a service on the 
internet. What if that service is retired, or the company disappears? Does that 
mean the hardware becomes useless after 90 days?


--Matt Ross
Ephrata School District


----- Original Message -----
From: Jon Harris
[mailto:jk.har...@live.com]
To: NT System Admin Issues
[mailto:ntsysadmin@lyris.sunbelt-software.com]
Sent: Mon, 18 Mar 2013
20:34:33 -0800
Subject: RE: Meraki


> 
> Here is the question and answer from Meraki about what happens when the
> license expires. 
> 
> 1.       What
> happens when or if the license for the Cloud Management of the device lapse?
> 
>  - Devices have a 90 day grace period for renewal. Beyond
> that, they will not be able to pass traffic. JonFrom: jk.har...@live.com
> To: ntsysadmin@lyris.sunbelt-software.com
> Subject: RE: Meraki
> Date: Mon, 18 Mar 2013 15:34:35 -0400
> 
> 
> 
> 
> 
> The actual response was at the end of the contract + 90 days is when the
> action would take place.  The action in this instance was that "it would
> stop passing traffic".  When I get to work later I will cut the actual
> question/answer from my email and send it to the list.
>  
> I don't doubt that most larger businesses would keep this device under
> contract.  It would be very unwise to do otherwise, although I have seen
> other businesses that depend on their network, not keep their high dollar
> network devices under contract.  
>  
> Like I said earlier did find the fact that unlike a lot of other IT directed
> businesses they seemed to be more interested in allowing their hardware, in
> this case, to sell themselves rather than have some sales drone push it
> hard.  That in itself to me is a big plus for the company.
>  
> Jon
>  
> From: gswe...@acts360.com
> To: ntsysadmin@lyris.sunbelt-software.com
> Subject: Re: Meraki
> Date: Sun, 17 Mar 2013 22:57:46 +0000
> 
> 
> 
> 
> 
> 
> 
> 
> It doesn't stop passing traffic and right now that’s not a hard cut off. 
> We have gone a few weeks past an expiration and we can still monitor and
> make changes.  I am sure at some point though you would lose ability to
> manage it.
> 
> 
> 
> That is the one part of the whole solution that I am concerned with, but in
> almost all of my clients they keep up the warranty on their devices,
> controllers, servers, etc because to have it fail and either the replacement
> cost or downtime exposure is pretty
>  steep.   The renewal cost on the licenses is paying for the service.  If
> you factor the cost of a Rukus, Firetide, Cisco, etc by the time you pay for
> the AP's, the controller and license cost I am pretty sure you would be very
> close to the cost over 3 years.
> 
> 
> 
> At least we were when we checked it over Ruckus on 3 years.
> 
> 
> 
> 
> 
> Greg Sweers
> CEO
> ACTS360.com
> P.O. Box 1193
> Brandon, FL  33509
> 813-657-0849 Office
> 813-644-3479 Cell
> 
> 
> 
> 
> 
> 
> 
> 
> 
> 
> From: Adam Greene <maill...@webjogger.net>
> 
> Reply-To: "ntsysadmin@lyris.sunbelt-software.com"
> <ntsysadmin@lyris.sunbelt-software.com>
> 
> Date: Saturday, March 16, 2013 9:27 AM
> 
> To: "ntsysadmin@lyris.sunbelt-software.com"
> <ntsysadmin@lyris.sunbelt-software.com>
> 
> Subject: RE: Meraki
> 
> 
> 
> 
> 
> 
> 
> 
> 
> 
> I wonder if after 3 years you just lose the ability to manage it via the
> cloud. It seems pretty bad that the device itself would stop working if
>  you don’t renew the license.
>  
> 
> 
> From: Jon Harris [mailto:jk.har...@live.com]
> 
> 
> Sent: Friday, March 15, 2013 7:57 PM
> 
> To: NT System Admin Issues
> 
> Subject: RE: Meraki
> 
> 
>  
> 
> Yes but at the end of 3 years you have to renew the license or the device
> will stop passing traffic.  At least that is what the sales drone told me. 
> I still don't know a
>  lot of homeowners or mom & pop SMB's that will buy into something that
> requires this type of commitment or yearly price.  I will know better after
> I do my evaluation but I don't see it happening long term.  Once I am
> finished with my evaluation I get the lovely
>  chore of passing my findings to my boss here at work for him to think
> about.  We are not that commited to doing wireless except for BOD and
> certain officers at only certain locations.  This looked like something they
> would think about but with the yearly cost
>  I don't know.
> 
>  
> 
> Jon
> 
>  
> 
> 
> 
> 
> From:
> asbz...@gmail.com
> 
> Date: Fri, 15 Mar 2013 09:03:56 -0400
> 
> Subject: Re: Meraki
> 
> To: ntsysadmin@lyris.sunbelt-software.com
> 
> 
> My understanding was that the devices came with a 3 YEAR cloud license...
> 
> 
> 
> 
> 
> 
> 
> 
> 
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> 
> 
> 
> 
> 
> 
> 
> 
> 
>  
> 
>  
> 
> 
> 
> 
> ASB
> 
> http://XeeMe.com/AndrewBaker
> 
> Providing Virtual CIO Services (IT Operations & Information Security) for
> the SMB market…
> 
> 
> 
> 
>  
> 
> 
> 
> 
> 
> 
> 
>  
> 
> On Fri, Mar 15, 2013 at 12:02 AM, Jon Harris <jk.har...@live.com> wrote:
> 
> 
> 
> After a little talking to a sales drone (quite nice they let me initiate the
> conversation) I found out that if the Cloud Management License lapses by 90+
> days then the AP
>  will stop passing traffic.  I don't know yet if that would be good thing or
> bad.  I guess I will have to actually do some testing of the device they are
> shipping me to see if it is worth the MSRP of $150/AP/year.  I can't see
> this for homeowners or even a
>  lot of mom & pop SMBs.  I don't think they will be willing to fork over the
> year fee.
> 
>  
> 
> Jon
> 
>  
> 
> 
> 
> 
> From:
> gswe...@acts360.com
> 
> To: ntsysadmin@lyris.sunbelt-software.com
> 
> Subject: RE: Meraki
> 
> Date: Mon, 11 Mar 2013 21:23:41 +0000
> 
> 
>  
> 
> I love the Meraki AP’s.  We have 40+ over multiple clients.  Easy
> management, great performance.  We had have replaced clients that were
> having horrible
>  issues with Rukus, Firetide, Cisco, etc..  Not because the equipment was
> bad, but because the reseller sold it without the proper controllers, or
> told them they could manage multiple sites from a web page, when in fact
> they had to connect to the controller
>  locally at each site to manage…. Fortunately almost all of them were able
> to return their products to reseller or direct.
> 
>  
> 
> Setup the info on the dashboard.  SSID, policies, etc..
> 
> Connect your laptop to the Meraki, set the IP/connection info, plug in to
> POE or injector and 2 mins later you are on and connected.  Seamless roaming
> across a
>  12000 sqft facility with multiple walls, offices, floors. 
> 
> We have had what we think was just a bad manufacturing batch because about 4
> in a one month period arrived, plugged in and promptly (3 -4 mins) fried. 
> Different
>  locations…  But since then no issues.  Prompt RMA service also..
> 
>  
> 
> Now the Firewalls…Same interface, excellent performance.  Seriously
> lacking on features and granular controls.  Sonicwall, Watchguard have them
> beat hands down. 
>  Needs polishing on the usability of the interface as well.  We are actively
> involved with their development team as we have some of their higher end
> stuff in our datacenter and I am unable to meet some client application
> needs, but I am hopeful for some resolutions. 
>  In the meantime I had to install my old Sonicwall 2040 to get around it.
> 
> If you are just looking for basic firewall and don’t need a lot of higher
> end firewall features the single management interface for everything is
> really nice. 
>  Automatic Site to Site with WAN Acceleration, Failover, etc are all
> included.
> 
>  
> 
> The switches have some huge promise too.  We only have one at a client due
> to price..  Definitely not the cheapest when you can get a 24 port HP 1910
> for 400 bucks
>  vs 1100+… 
> 
>  
> 
> Greg Sweers
> 
> CEO
> 
> ACTS360.com
> 
> P.O. Box 1193
> 
> Brandon, FL  33509
> 
> 813-657-0849 Office
> 
> 813-644-3479 Cell
> 
> 813-644-3476 Fax
> 
>  
> 
> 
> From: Tom Miller [mailto:tmil...@sfgtrust.com]
> 
> 
> Sent: Monday, March 11, 2013 8:56 AM
> 
> To: NT System Admin Issues
> 
> Subject: RE: Meraki
> 
> 
>  
> 
> We're looking at Meraki for our two manufacturing facilities.    Here at HQ
> we installed Cisco wireless last year.  I've been trying to get Cisco to buy
> back the
>  equipment so it would be Meraki everywhere.  So far no luck - seems like
> they are pretty much separate companies.   I'm still hopeful since I like
> the meraki management.
> 
> 
>  
> 
> From: Patrick Salmon [mailto:psal...@gmail.com]
> 
> 
> Sent: Friday, March 08, 2013 4:38 PM
> 
> To: NT System Admin Issues
> 
> Subject: OT: Meraki
> 
>  
> 
> Since it came up the other week (and with full disclosure: I am a Cisco
> employee and Meraki is now a part of Cisco), anybody want a free AP? Yeah.
> Free. 
> 
>  
> 
> 
> Follow link. sign up. Participate in webinar. Validate shipping details.
> Done. Before I get spanked, it is limited to NA and EU so apologies to
> anyone outside those geos.
> 
> 
>  
> 
> 
> 802.11n, fully cloud-managed with a 3-yr subscription. Setup is a breeze.
> 
> 
>  
> 
> 
> I did this a couple of months ago and was very happy with the MR16 they sent
> (I'm pretty certain that's the $699 one referenced in the link) and when I
> certified (SE's and
>  Cisco partners only) they replaced it with the MR24 (more radios) added the
> NGFW and POE Switch. My home network is now entirely Meraki and while I have
> incentive to be somewhat biased have found it to be uber cool in its own
> right. Kinda harks back to the
>  good old days when you could get Cisco t-shirts and books just by finding
> the right link; this is one such link, and you're welcome ;-)
> 
> 
>  
> 
> 
> Link here: http://www.meraki.com/freeap
> 
> 
>  
> 
> 
> Pat.
> 
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