Such is life in the land of subscriptions and remote license checking. I'll bet they have a backdoor that they're not willing to provide or outline right now.
Also, I'll be keeping my eye out for alternative firmware as a hedge against this particular issue. *ASB **http://XeeMe.com/AndrewBaker* <http://xeeme.com/AndrewBaker>* **Providing Virtual CIO Services (IT Operations & Information Security) for the SMB market…*** On Tue, Mar 19, 2013 at 11:45 AM, Matthew W. Ross <mr...@ephrataschools.org>wrote: > If they changed that to a 90 day grace period, then they will limit > themselves in another way (Maybe a single SSID, or limited bandwidth, or > limited antenna power, something like that...) I would feel better about it. > > I just hate having to deal with anything that _depends_ on a service on > the internet. What if that service is retired, or the company disappears? > Does that mean the hardware becomes useless after 90 days? > > > --Matt Ross > Ephrata School District > > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: Jon Harris > [mailto:jk.har...@live.com] > To: NT System Admin Issues > [mailto:ntsysadmin@lyris.sunbelt-software.com] > Sent: Mon, 18 Mar 2013 > 20:34:33 -0800 > Subject: RE: Meraki > > > > > > Here is the question and answer from Meraki about what happens when the > > license expires. > > > > 1. What > > happens when or if the license for the Cloud Management of the device > lapse? > > > > - Devices have a 90 day grace period for renewal. Beyond > > that, they will not be able to pass traffic. JonFrom: jk.har...@live.com > > To: ntsysadmin@lyris.sunbelt-software.com > > Subject: RE: Meraki > > Date: Mon, 18 Mar 2013 15:34:35 -0400 > > > > > > > > > > > > The actual response was at the end of the contract + 90 days is when the > > action would take place. The action in this instance was that "it would > > stop passing traffic". When I get to work later I will cut the actual > > question/answer from my email and send it to the list. > > > > I don't doubt that most larger businesses would keep this device under > > contract. It would be very unwise to do otherwise, although I have seen > > other businesses that depend on their network, not keep their high dollar > > network devices under contract. > > > > Like I said earlier did find the fact that unlike a lot of other IT > directed > > businesses they seemed to be more interested in allowing their hardware, > in > > this case, to sell themselves rather than have some sales drone push it > > hard. That in itself to me is a big plus for the company. > > > > Jon > > > > From: gswe...@acts360.com > > To: ntsysadmin@lyris.sunbelt-software.com > > Subject: Re: Meraki > > Date: Sun, 17 Mar 2013 22:57:46 +0000 > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > It doesn't stop passing traffic and right now that’s not a hard cut off. > > We have gone a few weeks past an expiration and we can still monitor and > > make changes. I am sure at some point though you would lose ability to > > manage it. > > > > > > > > That is the one part of the whole solution that I am concerned with, but > in > > almost all of my clients they keep up the warranty on their devices, > > controllers, servers, etc because to have it fail and either the > replacement > > cost or downtime exposure is pretty > > steep. The renewal cost on the licenses is paying for the service. If > > you factor the cost of a Rukus, Firetide, Cisco, etc by the time you pay > for > > the AP's, the controller and license cost I am pretty sure you would be > very > > close to the cost over 3 years. > > > > > > > > At least we were when we checked it over Ruckus on 3 years. > > > > > > > > > > > > Greg Sweers > > CEO > > ACTS360.com > > P.O. Box 1193 > > Brandon, FL 33509 > > 813-657-0849 Office > > 813-644-3479 Cell > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > From: Adam Greene <maill...@webjogger.net> > > > > Reply-To: "ntsysadmin@lyris.sunbelt-software.com" > > <ntsysadmin@lyris.sunbelt-software.com> > > > > Date: Saturday, March 16, 2013 9:27 AM > > > > To: "ntsysadmin@lyris.sunbelt-software.com" > > <ntsysadmin@lyris.sunbelt-software.com> > > > > Subject: RE: Meraki > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > I wonder if after 3 years you just lose the ability to manage it via the > > cloud. It seems pretty bad that the device itself would stop working if > > you don’t renew the license. > > > > > > > > From: Jon Harris [mailto:jk.har...@live.com] > > > > > > Sent: Friday, March 15, 2013 7:57 PM > > > > To: NT System Admin Issues > > > > Subject: RE: Meraki > > > > > > > > > > Yes but at the end of 3 years you have to renew the license or the device > > will stop passing traffic. At least that is what the sales drone told > me. > > I still don't know a > > lot of homeowners or mom & pop SMB's that will buy into something that > > requires this type of commitment or yearly price. I will know better > after > > I do my evaluation but I don't see it happening long term. Once I am > > finished with my evaluation I get the lovely > > chore of passing my findings to my boss here at work for him to think > > about. We are not that commited to doing wireless except for BOD and > > certain officers at only certain locations. This looked like something > they > > would think about but with the yearly cost > > I don't know. > > > > > > > > Jon > > > > > > > > > > > > > > From: > > asbz...@gmail.com > > > > Date: Fri, 15 Mar 2013 09:03:56 -0400 > > > > Subject: Re: Meraki > > > > To: ntsysadmin@lyris.sunbelt-software.com > > > > > > My understanding was that the devices came with a 3 YEAR cloud license... > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ASB > > > > http://XeeMe.com/AndrewBaker > > > > Providing Virtual CIO Services (IT Operations & Information Security) for > > the SMB market… > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > On Fri, Mar 15, 2013 at 12:02 AM, Jon Harris <jk.har...@live.com> wrote: > > > > > > > > After a little talking to a sales drone (quite nice they let me initiate > the > > conversation) I found out that if the Cloud Management License lapses by > 90+ > > days then the AP > > will stop passing traffic. I don't know yet if that would be good > thing or > > bad. I guess I will have to actually do some testing of the device they > are > > shipping me to see if it is worth the MSRP of $150/AP/year. I can't see > > this for homeowners or even a > > lot of mom & pop SMBs. I don't think they will be willing to fork over > the > > year fee. > > > > > > > > Jon > > > > > > > > > > > > > > From: > > gswe...@acts360.com > > > > To: ntsysadmin@lyris.sunbelt-software.com > > > > Subject: RE: Meraki > > > > Date: Mon, 11 Mar 2013 21:23:41 +0000 > > > > > > > > > > I love the Meraki AP’s. We have 40+ over multiple clients. Easy > > management, great performance. We had have replaced clients that were > > having horrible > > issues with Rukus, Firetide, Cisco, etc.. Not because the equipment was > > bad, but because the reseller sold it without the proper controllers, or > > told them they could manage multiple sites from a web page, when in fact > > they had to connect to the controller > > locally at each site to manage…. Fortunately almost all of them were > able > > to return their products to reseller or direct. > > > > > > > > Setup the info on the dashboard. SSID, policies, etc.. > > > > Connect your laptop to the Meraki, set the IP/connection info, plug in to > > POE or injector and 2 mins later you are on and connected. Seamless > roaming > > across a > > 12000 sqft facility with multiple walls, offices, floors. > > > > We have had what we think was just a bad manufacturing batch because > about 4 > > in a one month period arrived, plugged in and promptly (3 -4 mins) fried. > > Different > > locations… But since then no issues. Prompt RMA service also.. > > > > > > > > Now the Firewalls…Same interface, excellent performance. Seriously > > lacking on features and granular controls. Sonicwall, Watchguard have > them > > beat hands down. > > Needs polishing on the usability of the interface as well. We are > actively > > involved with their development team as we have some of their higher end > > stuff in our datacenter and I am unable to meet some client application > > needs, but I am hopeful for some resolutions. > > In the meantime I had to install my old Sonicwall 2040 to get around it. > > > > If you are just looking for basic firewall and don’t need a lot of higher > > end firewall features the single management interface for everything is > > really nice. > > Automatic Site to Site with WAN Acceleration, Failover, etc are all > > included. > > > > > > > > The switches have some huge promise too. We only have one at a client > due > > to price.. Definitely not the cheapest when you can get a 24 port HP > 1910 > > for 400 bucks > > vs 1100+… > > > > > > > > Greg Sweers > > > > CEO > > > > ACTS360.com > > > > P.O. Box 1193 > > > > Brandon, FL 33509 > > > > 813-657-0849 Office > > > > 813-644-3479 Cell > > > > 813-644-3476 Fax > > > > > > > > > > From: Tom Miller [mailto:tmil...@sfgtrust.com] > > > > > > Sent: Monday, March 11, 2013 8:56 AM > > > > To: NT System Admin Issues > > > > Subject: RE: Meraki > > > > > > > > > > We're looking at Meraki for our two manufacturing facilities. Here at > HQ > > we installed Cisco wireless last year. I've been trying to get Cisco to > buy > > back the > > equipment so it would be Meraki everywhere. So far no luck - seems like > > they are pretty much separate companies. I'm still hopeful since I like > > the meraki management. > > > > > > > > > > From: Patrick Salmon [mailto:psal...@gmail.com] > > > > > > Sent: Friday, March 08, 2013 4:38 PM > > > > To: NT System Admin Issues > > > > Subject: OT: Meraki > > > > > > > > Since it came up the other week (and with full disclosure: I am a Cisco > > employee and Meraki is now a part of Cisco), anybody want a free AP? > Yeah. > > Free. > > > > > > > > > > Follow link. sign up. Participate in webinar. Validate shipping details. > > Done. Before I get spanked, it is limited to NA and EU so apologies to > > anyone outside those geos. > > > > > > > > > > > > 802.11n, fully cloud-managed with a 3-yr subscription. Setup is a breeze. > > > > > > > > > > > > I did this a couple of months ago and was very happy with the MR16 they > sent > > (I'm pretty certain that's the $699 one referenced in the link) and when > I > > certified (SE's and > > Cisco partners only) they replaced it with the MR24 (more radios) added > the > > NGFW and POE Switch. My home network is now entirely Meraki and while I > have > > incentive to be somewhat biased have found it to be uber cool in its own > > right. Kinda harks back to the > > good old days when you could get Cisco t-shirts and books just by > finding > > the right link; this is one such link, and you're welcome ;-) > > > > > > > > > > > > Link here: http://www.meraki.com/freeap > > > > > > > > > > > > Pat. > > > > > > > > ~ Finally, powerful endpoint security that ISN'T a resource hog! ~ > > > > ~ <http://www.sunbeltsoftware.com/Business/VIPRE-Enterprise/> ~ > > > > > > > > --- > > > > To manage subscriptions click here: > > http://lyris.sunbelt-software.com/read/my_forums/ > > > > or send an email to listmana...@lyris.sunbeltsoftware.com > > > > with the body: unsubscribe ntsysadmin > > > > ~ Finally, powerful endpoint security that ISN'T a resource hog! ~ > > > > ~ <http://www.sunbeltsoftware.com/Business/VIPRE-Enterprise/> ~ > > > > > > > > --- > > > > To manage subscriptions click here: > > http://lyris.sunbelt-software.com/read/my_forums/ > > > > or send an email to listmana...@lyris.sunbeltsoftware.com > > > > with the body: unsubscribe ntsysadmin > > > > ~ Finally, powerful endpoint security that ISN'T a resource hog! ~ > > > > ~ <http://www.sunbeltsoftware.com/Business/VIPRE-Enterprise/> ~ > > > > > > > > --- > > > > To manage subscriptions click here: > > http://lyris.sunbelt-software.com/read/my_forums/ > > > > or send an email to listmana...@lyris.sunbeltsoftware.com > > > > with the body: unsubscribe ntsysadmin > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ~ Finally, powerful endpoint security that ISN'T a resource hog! ~ > > > > ~ <http://www.sunbeltsoftware.com/Business/VIPRE-Enterprise/> ~ > > > > > > > > --- > > > > To manage subscriptions click here: > > http://lyris.sunbelt-software.com/read/my_forums/ > > > > or send an email to listmana...@lyris.sunbeltsoftware.com > > > > with the body: unsubscribe ntsysadmin > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ~ Finally, powerful endpoint security that ISN'T a resource hog! ~ > > > > ~ <http://www.sunbeltsoftware.com/Business/VIPRE-Enterprise/> ~ > > > > > > > > --- > > > > To manage subscriptions click here: > > http://lyris.sunbelt-software.com/read/my_forums/ > > > > or send an email to listmana...@lyris.sunbeltsoftware.com > > > > with the body: unsubscribe ntsysadmin > > > > > > ~ Finally, powerful endpoint security that ISN'T a resource hog! ~ > > > > ~ <http://www.sunbeltsoftware.com/Business/VIPRE-Enterprise/> ~ > > > > > > > > --- > > > > To manage subscriptions click here: > > http://lyris.sunbelt-software.com/read/my_forums/ > > > > or send an email to listmana...@lyris.sunbeltsoftware.com > > > > with the body: unsubscribe ntsysadmin > > > > ~ Finally, powerful endpoint security that ISN'T a resource hog! ~ > > > > ~ <http://www.sunbeltsoftware.com/Business/VIPRE-Enterprise/> ~ > > > > > > > > --- > > > > To manage subscriptions click here: > > http://lyris.sunbelt-software.com/read/my_forums/ > > > > or send an email to listmana...@lyris.sunbeltsoftware.com > > > > with the body: unsubscribe ntsysadmin > > > > > > > > > > > > ~ Finally, powerful endpoint security that ISN'T a resource hog! ~ > > > > ~ <http://www.sunbeltsoftware.com/Business/VIPRE-Enterprise/> ~ > > > > > > > > --- > > > > To manage subscriptions click here: > > http://lyris.sunbelt-software.com/read/my_forums/ > > > > or send an email to listmana...@lyris.sunbeltsoftware.com > > > > with the body: unsubscribe ntsysadmin > > > > ~ Finally, powerful endpoint security that ISN'T a resource hog! ~ > > > > ~ <http://www.sunbeltsoftware.com/Business/VIPRE-Enterprise/> ~ > > > > > > > > --- > > > > To manage subscriptions click here: > > http://lyris.sunbelt-software.com/read/my_forums/ > > > > or send an email to listmana...@lyris.sunbeltsoftware.com > > > > with the body: unsubscribe ntsysadmin > > ~ Finally, powerful endpoint security that ISN'T a resource hog! ~ > > ~ <http://www.sunbeltsoftware.com/Business/VIPRE-Enterprise/> ~ > > > > --- > > To manage subscriptions click here: > > http://lyris.sunbelt-software.com/read/my_forums/ > > or send an email to listmana...@lyris.sunbeltsoftware.com > > with the body: unsubscribe ntsysadmin > > ~ Finally, powerful endpoint security that ISN'T a resource hog! ~ > ~ <http://www.sunbeltsoftware.com/Business/VIPRE-Enterprise/> ~ > > --- > To manage subscriptions click here: > http://lyris.sunbelt-software.com/read/my_forums/ > or send an email to listmana...@lyris.sunbeltsoftware.com > with the body: unsubscribe ntsysadmin > > ~ Finally, powerful endpoint security that ISN'T a resource hog! ~ ~ <http://www.sunbeltsoftware.com/Business/VIPRE-Enterprise/> ~ --- To manage subscriptions click here: http://lyris.sunbelt-software.com/read/my_forums/ or send an email to listmana...@lyris.sunbeltsoftware.com with the body: unsubscribe ntsysadmin
