Been in the field for 10 yrs, been in large server environments (500+),
and smaller ones (50+), and have moved from the "jack of all master of
none" server admin job to more specialized roles like Exchange, Citrix,
and Backups...

I gave up on the MS cert path about 5 years ago b/c it never ends and
doesn't make a lot of difference since our field is so hands on
experience...most book or cert work is forgotten anyways shortly after
the test is passed...all it really shows is that you have the gumption
to get through a test. Also, the test questions are getting longer...and
it seems to be more about how many questions you can get done in the
shortest period of time rather than what you know, which I think is BS
to be honest.

70k, + good benefits and guaranteed annual bonus...

A few observations:
1. Generally speaking, if you are working in the public sector or for a
non-profit, forget a good salary.  If you want higher pay, get good
experience and then move on...preferably to the private sector.
2. Learn to market yourself well...as you get into your career, I find
people care a lot more about your experience, and what you've dealt with
than your credentials (though having both is the most ideal)
3. The best way to get raises is to move around a lot--again, this is
just my experience.  You get in a place and find that your salary is
going nowhere, and you want to move up, then it's time to move on.
4. Let's be real, most of us aren't going to break the 6 digit barrier
w/out an advanced degree and some "connections".
5. Your pay is also going to have a lot to do with where you live and
the state of the economy in your location.  If you are stuck in the
mid-45's or 50s, maybe it's b/c that's all they pay for a server tech
where you live.  I happen to live in Dallas, where the pay scale is
high.  I noticed another guy post that got paid 115k, but he lives in
California, and the cost of living is considerably higher (not that he
is undeserving or unqualified--from the sounds of it, he's more
qualified than most of us:))...so, where you live makes a big
difference. 

-----Original Message-----
From: John Hornbuckle [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] 
Sent: Monday, March 10, 2008 10:12 AM
To: NT System Admin Issues
Subject: RE: IT Salary Survey

By the way... You may not be much safer at the state level than you were
at the district level. Here in Florida, the state has been known to let
go big groups of employees in one whack.



John

-----Original Message-----
From: Joe Heaton [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] 
Sent: Monday, March 10, 2008 11:02 AM
To: NT System Admin Issues
Subject: RE: IT Salary Survey

Hope your job is more secure than out here in California at the moment
John.  Up until a few months ago, I worked for a school district here in
Sacramento.  There were 4 of us in the IT department, although one was
half-time bus driver, so really 3 1/2, including the Supervisor.  I left
there in October, and now work for the state.  I just spoke with that
supervisor about a week or so ago and this is what he told me:

1)  They are not going to replace me.  (Down to 2 1/2 people)
2)  The half-time bus driver is now a full-time bus driver. (Down to 2
people)
3)  The administration is talking about lay-offs, which would include
the guy that does the database administration (Down to 1 person, who is
the Supervisor)
4)  The administration is also talking about the supervisor having to
take a pay cut, and go back into the union.  He told them that was fine,
as long as his phone doesn't ring anymore.  His boss told him she
doesn't want her phone to ring, and he told her that he wasn't going to
take a pay cut and stay in a supervisory position... (even though he
wouldn't have anyone to supervise anyway...)

All this because Arnie cut $500 million out of the education budget now,
in emergency cuts.  He's also talking about taking an additional $15
Billion out of the education budget for next year.  Not sure how he
expects to do that and still have schools at all.

Sad state of affairs here in California...  Just glad I got out of the
school district in the nick of time. 


Joe Heaton

-----Original Message-----
From: John Hornbuckle [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] 
Sent: Friday, March 07, 2008 1:14 PM
To: NT System Admin Issues
Subject: RE: IT Salary Survey

> Forgot that list.
>
> What is everyone here making? :)
>
> Include degree, Cert too.
>
> -Z.V.



BS in English (although no degree is required for this position--I got
the degree after I got the job). Only certs are CompTIA A+, Net+, and
I-Net+. Salary is a bit under $50k per year, undoubtedly making me one
of the lowest-paid list members.

On the plus side... Copious vacation and sick leave, two paid weeks off
at Christmas, holidays and weekends off, a 7-minute commute home, free
toys (including a cell phone and very nice laptop), participation in the
state retirement system (not many jobs offer pensions like this), laid
back atmosphere, and an employer who will never go out of business.



John Hornbuckle
MIS Department
Taylor County School District
318 North Clark Street
Perry, FL 32347

www.taylor.k12.fl.us


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