AFAIK, they're still running the OS they came with, plus the hundreds of patches. Would it be great to work in an environment where we had a couple year cycle and new machines were constantly being bought? Yes. But I don't work there. When I worked for a non-profit, we pretty relied on donated hardware. And now I work for a state agency going through hiring freezes and budget cuts.
>>> "Rod Trent" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> 5/12/2008 7:46 AM >>> Question… How many times have those computers been upgraded? i.e., What came pre-installed initially? From:RAY ZORZ [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Monday, May 12, 2008 10:40 AM To: NT System Admin Issues Subject: Re: Why XP is doomed Yup. We have nearly 5000 machines, and only maybe a dozen or so could actually run Vista. So that means a wholesale change of our desktops to get exactly what? Add the latest Office version which takes awhile for even experienced users to use, and it becomes a tough decision. Maybe I should rephrase that last part. In the past, the decision was pretty much a no-brainer because of the learning curves, productivity drops, etc. Now MS is putting us in the position where it makes sense to look at alternative solutions, whether it be Apple or opensource. We don't need "gorgeous" in the workplace. We need speed, function and to be error-free. >>> "Micheal Espinola Jr" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> 5/10/2008 9:35 AM >>> MBS said nothing to the effect of my question to you. My annoyance with the whole this is having to purchase new hardware to buy a new version of something that I dont need. Yea, I know, progress, etc, yadda, yadda. But Vista brings nothing to the table for me to justify a corporate upgrade. Its all a financial loss with no outstanding gain - other than continued support. I dont care for or need the dazzle of Vista in the workplace. On Sat, May 10, 2008 at 12:11 PM, HELP_PC <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > Michael Smith couldn't answer better! > > > GuidoElia > HELPPC > > -----Messaggio originale----- > Da: Micheal Espinola Jr [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] > Inviato: sabato 10 maggio 2008 17.59 > A: NT System Admin Issues > Oggetto: Re: R: Why XP is doomed > > And besides being on the "latest" version of Windows, what are you > getting out of your addition investments? Is there something you can do > on Vista that you cant on XP? > > > On Sat, May 10, 2008 at 11:50 AM, HELP_PC <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: >> I think you are right . Windows Xp was sucking a lot on a PentiumIII >> 1ghz machine with 256MB RAM, where Win 98 was really "fast". >> I am now deploying Q6600 or T9300 machines with Vista and 4GB RAM and >> I am quite satisfied. >> >> >> GuidoElia >> HELPPC >> >> -----Messaggio originale----- >> Da: Martin Blackstone [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] >> Inviato: sabato 10 maggio 2008 16.44 >> A: NT System Admin Issues >> Oggetto: RE: Why XP is doomed >> >> >> MS's earnings were disappointing? Welcome to 2008. They can stand in >> line with the other 80% of companies with the same problems. >> >> As for support, XP has been around since 2001 and mainstream support >> goes until Apr. 2009. >> That's a damn long life cycle for any software maker. This is the same > >> whining that went on with Windows 98 and Windows 2000. I don't >> remember the world ending in either case. Think about what other >> software was released in >> 2001 and if it's still support. I wonder if Adobe still supports >> Photoshop 6.0? I'll bet Apple still supports OSX 10.0.0, but Apple >> seems to be living the rock star life these days. >> >> Now Ill also say I'm still a HUGE XP fan. I use XP at home on all my >> machines. My work machine is Vista and while I don't really dislike >> it, it really doesn't do much for me either. But eventually the time >> will come to upgrade, and I'm sure my world won't end either. The >> "Vista sucks" thing has certainly taken on a life of its own. I would >> venture to guess that a very large percentage of the people who say it > >> sucks have never tried it. >> It doesn't totally suck, it's just....slightly sucky. Frankly if they >> could just get it to perform better, it would be great. >> >> -----Original Message----- >> From: Angus Scott-Fleming [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] >> Sent: Saturday, May 10, 2008 7:20 AM >> To: NT System Admin Issues >> Subject: Why XP is doomed >> >> Interesting analysis from Cringely. As always, "follow the money" ... >> >> ------- Included Stuff Follows ------- I, Cringely . The Pulpit . >> Wimpy | PBS >> >> ... >> >> Several readers are concerned about Microsoft's decision to stop >> selling >> >> Windows XP and -- most importantly -- end security updates for the >> venerable operating system. This has everything to do with business > >> and >> nothing at all to do with technology. Wearing my business >> reporter's >> >> fedora, then, I'll point you back a week or so to Microsoft's most >> recent >> earnings announcement, which disappointed Wall Street. This is >> significant >> because it is hard to find a Wall Street analyst who remembers the >> last >> time Microsoft's earnings were disappointing. It simply doesn't >> happen. >> That's because Microsoft has a myriad of tools for adjusting the >> numbers >> >> to look just right. >> >> Because Microsoft has so many tools for fine-tuning its financials >> (primarily the management of expenses, by the way -- Microsoft >> makes so >> much money that it tunes the numbers by throwing cash away), the >> fact that >> this last set of numbers disappointed suggests to me that they, >> too, could >> have been avoided. Microsoft probably decided to deliberately take >> an >> earnings hit precisely so they could play the "we have to get the >> earnings >> up" card to justify the final death of XP. >> >> Microsoft has been under huge pressure from its hardware OEMs to >> dump XP, >> thus forcing millions of customers who have been avoiding Vista and >> Vista's inevitable hardware upgrade to finally buy new computers. >> Dumping >> XP will help Dell and HP AND Microsoft, big-time. It won't do >> anything for >> you or me, though, since Vista still sucks, but we obviously don't >> matter. >> >> Those customers who think they'll keep XP going on their own will >> probably >> be out of luck, too. With Microsoft abandoning security upgrades, >> hackers >> will eat holes in the old OS practically overnight. 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