We've got a 270c that we're looking at doing the same sort of thing with. >From what I can tell they're pushing the 3100 series (64 bit?) and trying to phase out the 3000 line (32 bit?). Was told they're able to do comparable prices on the 3100's at the moment. We're currently paying around £15k a month for an Asigra based online backup solution, so replacing it with this replicating SAN setup would show a good ROI fairly quickly.
From: Jason Morris [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: 12 September 2008 15:58 To: NT System Admin Issues Subject: RE: NetApp SAN For Virtualisation We have a 2050 with 5TB total now...that would move to my DR site and we'd get a new 3x40 at corporate for the primary storage. Then sync+vault to the remote 2050. Thanks for that site! I can use that to help keep my vendor honest. J Jason From: Steve Burkett [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Friday, September 12, 2008 9:54 AM To: NT System Admin Issues Subject: RE: NetApp SAN For Virtualisation Ballpark pricing for the 'beginner' SAN package, you're looking at about: FAS2050 head £5k (2 needed for clustering/redundancy) Disk shelf with 14 x 300GB disks, £17k (Just need 1 disk shelf, but could for instance add....) Disk shelf with 7TB SATA disks, £13k (... if you want more cheaper slower space) Software, per head (so x 2 if you've got clustered) SnapManager software for SQL backups £10k (sorry don't have a price for SnapManager for Virtual Infrastructure yet) SnapMirror & SnapVault £8k (for replicating/backing up to another NetApp over WAN) NFS enable £5k CIFS shares enable £3k (Sorry, I don't have iSCSI or Fibre Channel enable prices) 3yr Support & Warranty package £25k Course we get well and truely ripped off here in the UK so US peeps can probably just change those £ signs to $ and get a good estimate these days. And NetApp seem quite 'flexible' with their pricing, so go in hard and bargain the heck out of them. Excellent site for some pricing in US $ is: http://storagemojo.com/storagemojos-pricing-guide/ . Hope it helps, Steve. From: Jonathan Link [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: 11 September 2008 18:11 To: NT System Admin Issues Subject: Re: NetApp SAN For Virtualisation Model and $$'s? On Thu, Sep 11, 2008 at 11:15 AM, Steve Burkett <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: Very incorrect. NetApp filers can be used as simple NAS devices if you wish, providing simple Windows network shares on an NFS based system if you wish. You see it as a server joined to your Active Directory domain, you browse to it and see the shares. .. or you can do the full bit level LUN thing to use it as a SAN type device. Enable Fibre Channel or iSCSI with a license key, partition up your disks, give your VMWare host server a chunk of disk to play with formatted with VMFS. Either way works. The deduplication features of the NetApp seem to work best with NFS however, and the killer feature on the NetApp's, their snapshot based backup and restore, likewise. With the Snapshots feature you can do a full backup or restore of 30GB+ databases or virtual machines in 3-5 seconds (!). Particularly if you use the new SnapManager for Virtual Infrastructure product which is VMWare aware and plays nicely with it, you can do your backups of live enviroments in a very small backup window, and restore far far quicker then conventional methods. There was a Webcast from NetApp the other month where a customer (one of Europe's biggest health care providers) was converting over to using NFS from iSCSI based LUN's for their VMWare farm as it was proving just as quick performance wise, much quicker to backup, and much simpler to manage. They had gone from Fibre Channel to iSCSI previously. With VMWare offering more and more support towards NFS, it seems to be the way things are going. -----Original Message----- From: Erik Goldoff [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: 10 September 2008 00:51 To: NT System Admin Issues Subject: RE: NetApp SAN For Virtualisation Ok, let me ask a clarifying question ... Isn't NetApp a NAS (Network Attached Storage) and NOT a SAN. Their NetApp filer boxen run a proprietary file system, not the same as a SAN connected box running the native file system (NTFS) -----Original Message----- From: Robert Jackson [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Tuesday, September 09, 2008 8:07 AM To: NT System Admin Issues Subject: NetApp SAN For Virtualisation Just looking for some feedback. Is/has anyone used NetApp as their backend in a VMWare solution? We've had someone in this morning talking to us about going down the virtualisation road and their backend SAN solution is NetApp using NFS. I know lots of you (already virtualised people out there) are using an EMC solution with iSCSI (and or possibly FC) but I haven't heard much of NetApp. Pros/Cons? Steer well clear of etc etc would be a good starter for us. TIA. ************************************************************************ The information in this internet E-mail is confidential and is intended solely for the addressee. 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