Remember that when you look at averages for the US on a whole, you have to take into account the higher salaries available in the metro areas.
I find that most of the salaries in the more comprehensive surveys are low to average for the NYC metro area. It all depends on the sample demographics. -ASB On Wed, Aug 12, 2009 at 1:05 PM, Maglinger, Paul <pmaglin...@scvl.com>wrote: > How about those salary surveys in the trade rags? > > ------------------------------ > *From:* Sherry Abercrombie [mailto:saber...@gmail.com] > *Sent:* Wednesday, August 12, 2009 11:39 AM > *To:* NT System Admin Issues > *Subject:* Re: OT: Salary rant > > Yup, what Vicky said. I've read too many stories like yours Scott, so when > I hear those radio ads, I KNOW it's not true and it just ticks me off > actually that they are even doing it. But, like they are saying in their > ad, stimulus money is available....and I don't want this to denigrate into a > political discussion but it just makes me angry when an unscrupulous company > is capitalizing on a government handout and preying on clueless people and > they won't be able to make good on their promises of a great paying career > in IT. > > On Wed, Aug 12, 2009 at 11:14 AM, Vicky Spelshaus < > vicky.spelsh...@gmail.com> wrote: > >> Ouch! just ouch. >> >> >> On Wed, Aug 12, 2009 at 11:03 AM, Scott Williamson < >> scottwilliamson...@yahoo.com> wrote: >> >>> At least everybody here has a job. I lost my job in March.. The >>> recession hurt our online sales (50% drop in sales). The owner, who had no >>> clue when it came to SEO/SEM, decided to make all these changes to get it in >>> top of the search engines. He ignored the employees, including our marketing >>> person. We said this would hurt us even more. Boom!... an 80% drop in sales. >>> From over $40,000 a day in online sale to just over $8,000 in six months. >>> The owner kept assuring us that the company has been through this before and >>> we will weather is out. The company has over $2 millions in reserves (found >>> out this was not true). >>> >>> The owner quietly sold the business under us. We came to work and it was >>> closed. Your paychecks will be sent in the mail. It never came. Company >>> filed for bankruptcy the same day it closed. I went from 115K a year as the >>> IT Director to $450 a week on unemployment. If figured with 15 years IT >>> experience, a Masters in Information Systems, a PMP, A+, Network+, MCP, and >>> advanced ColdFusion certified, I could find a job. >>> >>> Nope... Over 200 positions I have applied or sent my resume to and I got >>> only one interview for an System Administrator making $55,000. The only way >>> I got the interview was because I has to dumb down my resume. Did not get >>> the job. They found someone with more experience and the HR person said that >>> over 300 people applied for the position.. Three years ago, they could >>> barely get 5 to apply. Recruiters are no help. >>> >>> I do have family in the Dallas area, and got a couple hits from companies >>> in Dalles. But the both stated that because I am out of town, they feel I >>> will leave when things pick up. Not true. I am looking to get out of >>> California! >>> >>> So.. it is now August. My savings is dried up and my wife makes $40,000 a >>> year as a dental assistant.. Not enough in Southern California. Mortgage >>> company will not do a forbearance so we have to move out of our house and >>> live with my brother. But the rent wont cover the mortgage and we have >>> already accepted the fact that we will lose our house. I have spent $3,000 >>> on two attorneys to help us with the mortgage company.. no help. >>> >>> I get a kick reading that IT jobs are the hot jobs and they are hard to >>> fill. Not enough skilled workers. I have not experienced that. >>> >>> ------------------------------ >>> *From:* "Ziots, Edward" <ezi...@lifespan.org> >>> *To:* NT System Admin Issues <ntsysadmin@lyris.sunbelt-software.com> >>> *Sent:* Wednesday, August 12, 2009 3:34:23 AM >>> *Subject:* RE: OT: Salary rant >>> >>> I agree, right now, a lot if not most companies are “bleeding a nickel” >>> when it comes to getting maximum productivity out of workers, on top of >>> reducing costs any and every way they can. I don’t see this trend ending for >>> a few years to come. >>> >>> >>> >>> Like its been said before for those that get raises ( Ours have been >>> frozen too, and possibly for longer for just this year) along with the raise >>> in paying more for your benefits, less in the 401K, 403B, and no training >>> budget) be happy you have a job and a roof over your head, it could be a lot >>> worse, and quiet quickly.. >>> >>> >>> >>> I agree use the opportunity to stand out, put in the time, (and we all >>> know it isn’t a 40 hr work week, you are lucky if you get away with 60-70 >>> hrs a week now a days) learn all you can learn with new technologies, and >>> bide your time. >>> >>> >>> >>> Z >>> >>> >>> >>> Edward Ziots >>> >>> Network Engineer >>> >>> Lifespan Organization >>> >>> MCSE,MCSA,MCP+I, ME, CCA, Security +, Network + >>> >>> ezi...@lifespan.org >>> >>> Phone:401-639-3505 >>> ------------------------------ >>> >>> *From:* James Kerr [mailto:cluster...@gmail.com] >>> *Sent:* Tuesday, August 11, 2009 7:17 PM >>> *To:* NT System Admin Issues >>> *Subject:* Re: OT: Salary rant >>> >>> >>> >>> Guess I shouldn't complain about our 1% raise company wide. >>> >>> ----- Original Message ----- >>> >>> *From:* Sam Cayze <sam.ca...@rollouts.com> >>> >>> *To:* NT System Admin Issues <ntsysadmin@lyris.sunbelt-software.com> >>> >>> *Sent:* Tuesday, August 11, 2009 6:49 PM >>> >>> *Subject:* RE: OT: Salary rant >>> >>> >>> >>> Well put, nice words Andy. (And others). >>> >>> >>> >>> They might be lowballing to find someone serious about the position, not >>> the paycheck. If you bite, they may make it worth your while if you are >>> committed. >>> >>> >>> ------------------------------ >>> >>> *From:* Andy Shook [mailto:andy.sh...@peak10.com] >>> *Sent:* Tuesday, August 11, 2009 4:27 PM >>> *To:* NT System Admin Issues >>> *Subject:* RE: OT: Salary rant >>> >>> Chris, >>> >>> It’s tough out there no doubt and I feel your pain, many of us that are >>> employed are right there with you. Salary cuts, benefit cost increases, >>> insurance coverage decreases, 401(k)s turning into 101(k)s, furloughs, >>> FREAKIN’ COMISSION PLAN RESTRUCTURES (I fell better). The cut sucks, I >>> understand, but you’re standing there with an FULL TIME OFFER LETTER. To >>> many IT guys that are stupid smart are now bagging groceries… >>> >>> >>> >>> I encourage everyone in this situation to look long term; the here and >>> now is not fun but it is temporary. “This too, shall pass”, wrote the >>> psalmist. I would use the opportunity you have been given to rise above the >>> morale, fear\doom & gloom and stand out; i.e. all of you be the rock star in >>> your current position(s). It’s a killer opportunity, as the fat has been >>> trimmed and orgs are now focusing on everything & everyone with laser >>> precision. >>> >>> >>> >>> Be the best… [1] >>> >>> >>> >>> Shook >>> >>> [1] This could be perceived as an unintentional Karate Kid reference >>> (tournament music….*You’re the best, around. No one’s ever gunna beat >>> you down*) but that was not the intent. J >>> >>> >>> >>> On Tue, Aug 11, 2009 at 3:49 PM, Christopher Bodnar < >>> christopher_bod...@glic.com> wrote: >>> >>> I know I’m not going to get a any sympathy here, due to the unemployment >>> rate, and the economy in general, but needed to vent a little. Was hired as >>> a contract to hire position last year. Great company, close to home, good >>> salary. 6 months in they cut my salary by 10% to the contracting company, >>> which was then passed on to me. I was told at the time, that if/when I was >>> offered full time employment, I would be brought on with the initial salary >>> I had started at. Just go the official offer, and it’s 5% below that. I know >>> I should be thankful I even have a job, which I am. But I still feel like >>> they are low-balling me just because of the economy. If the economy would be >>> better and more IT jobs out there, I’d tell them to take a hike and see what >>> happens. Can’t afford to do that right now with a mortgage and 2 kids. For >>> once I just wish someone would offer me what was promised. Sorry, not >>> looking to offend anyone out there. Just blowing off some steam. >>> >>> Chris >>> >>> ~ Finally, powerful endpoint security that ISN'T a resource hog! ~ ~ <http://www.sunbeltsoftware.com/Business/VIPRE-Enterprise/> ~
