>From what I understood in the article, the mods were in order to allow pirated >software to run. As someone who actually pays for the music, movies, and >games I play/watch, I have very little sympathy. I understand that there are >some valid concerns about the specific charges, but it does seem fairly >unlikely that a person would be arrested for modifying their own hardware for >purposes that are not themselves illegal. There is a whole generation coming >up now that think that pirating music and movies is no big deal, and I see >little to no difference between that and throwing a brick through the window >at Best Buy. Stealing is stealing.
Bill Mayo -----Original Message----- From: Kurt Buff [mailto:kurt.b...@gmail.com] Sent: Thursday, August 13, 2009 3:31 PM To: NT System Admin Issues Subject: Re: XBox mod hacker could face 10 years in prison !!! I have no issues with users modding the machines and software they've purchased. It's what people do, and should be able to do. I have no issues with the service provider monitoring for modding, detecting it and discontinuing service if mods are detected, but I think it's a design problem, and not a service problem. The fact that the game providers aren't smart enough (yet) to level the playing field and maintain security of their networks is *their* problem, not the consumer's problem. I have *big* issues with criminalizing the modding. I even have issues with torts surrounding this issue. It's way out of line. On the other hand, I don't play computer games any more, either. Most of that decision was based on lack of time/interest, but a small part of it was frustration with the modders who "cheated" (if that's the term you want to use) and gained an advantage. But that's my choice, and not a legal matter. Kurt On Thu, Aug 13, 2009 at 03:10, <asbz...@gmail.com> wrote: > Over the years, a lot of comparisons have been made between cars and > computers. > > I don't necessarily agree with the criminal angle of modding electronic > equipment, but one does have to admit that computers and computer-like > devices facilitate and engage in a degree of interoperability that is not > common in other modding scenarios. > > Is it fair to have someone mod a game system and then participate in an > online multiplayer game with what no longer constitutes a level playing field? > > The challenges in this realm are different. > > -ASB > Sent from my Verizon Wireless BlackBerry > > -----Original Message----- > From: Kurt Buff <kurt.b...@gmail.com> > > Date: Wed, 12 Aug 2009 15:38:26 > To: NT System Admin Issues<ntsysadmin@lyris.sunbelt-software.com> > Subject: Re: XBox mod hacker could face 10 years in prison !!! > > > Yup. Clear conflict with the intent of SCOTUS and the Carterfone > decision and other decisions regarding 3rd party maintenance on cars, > etc.. > > Something's going to give here in the next few years. > > On Wed, Aug 12, 2009 at 13:04, Steven M. Caesare<scaes...@caesare.com> wrote: >> It's the leveraging DCMA circumvention as a root "crime" in this prosecution >> that's disturbing. >> >> -sc >> >>> -----Original Message----- >>> From: Kurt Buff [mailto:kurt.b...@gmail.com] >>> Sent: Wednesday, August 12, 2009 2:53 PM >>> To: NT System Admin Issues >>> Subject: Re: XBox mod hacker could face 10 years in prison !!! >>> >>> I'm not exactly an Ayn-Rander, but... >>> >>> On Wed, Aug 12, 2009 at 08:14, Angus >>> Scott-Fleming<angu...@geoapps.com> >>> wrote: >>> >>> <snip a bunch, and the quote below was written by someone else...> >>> >>> > Now Apple is trying to control the platform, applications and >>> > network simply to line their own pockets. While you Ayn Rand-ers >>> > are busy slapping high-fives, let me remind the rest of you that >>> > competition and open platforms are better for consumers on all >>> > levelяяЏяявяњfrom pricing to performance. It is only in the short >>> > term that we benefit from closed systems. >>> >>> I applaud Apple's attempt to keep their platform pure, same as with >>> MSFT. There are good reasons for doing it. >>> >>> The issue at hand, however, is misguided IP law. There should be no >>> penalty for selling modded equipment. If you bought it, it's yours, >>> and you should be able to do with it as you will, including >>> modifying it and selling it. If Apple/Microsoft refuses to support >>> it thereafter, well, that's their call. >>> >>> Companies that try to enforce that will lose, eventually, though. >>> >>> Kurt >>> >>> ~ Finally, powerful endpoint security that ISN'T a resource hog! ~ ~ >>> <http://www.sunbeltsoftware.com/Business/VIPRE-Enterprise/>яя ~ >> >> >> ~ Finally, powerful endpoint security that ISN'T a resource hog! ~ ~ >> <http://www.sunbeltsoftware.com/Business/VIPRE-Enterprise/яяВ ~ > > ~ Finally, powerful endpoint security that ISN'T a resource hog! ~ ~ > <http://www.sunbeltsoftware.com/Business/VIPRE-Enterprise/> ~ > > > ~ Finally, powerful endpoint security that ISN'T a resource hog! ~ ~ > <http://www.sunbeltsoftware.com/Business/VIPRE-Enterprise/> ~ ~ Finally, powerful endpoint security that ISN'T a resource hog! ~ ~ <http://www.sunbeltsoftware.com/Business/VIPRE-Enterprise/> ~ ~ Finally, powerful endpoint security that ISN'T a resource hog! ~ ~ <http://www.sunbeltsoftware.com/Business/VIPRE-Enterprise/> ~
