So you're saying you've bumped into different revs of drives that won't be read by different SATA controllers?
Now that's nasty! I have NEVER had a drive not been recognized by a standard controller (3ware, LSI, Adaptec, etc). --Matt Ross Ephrata School District ----- Original Message ----- From: Kurt Buff [mailto:kurt.b...@gmail.com] To: NT System Admin Issues [mailto:ntsysad...@lyris.sunbelt-software.com] Sent: Fri, 04 Dec 2009 14:24:28 -0800 Subject: Re: HP drive sleds > I doubt he was implying that. > > However, It's really hard to get retail drives that are of the exact > same rev of their BIOS, and are guaranteed to interoperate with your > RAID card. This becomes especially problematic if you don't overbuy > (to provide one or more shelf spares) and have to replace one of the > drives later. > > I know - I've been bitten by this, with a 3ware card. I have to assume > that the same issue can crop up with other RAID cards, including HP > and Dell. > > Kurt > > On Fri, Dec 4, 2009 at 13:44, Matthew W. Ross <mr...@ephrataschools.org> > wrote: > > I hate email, because I can't read the inflection of your message. I'm > going to assume that you were not insinuating that I am unwise. > > > > Other than that, I agree that buying quality is important and that you do > get what you pay for. My argument is that sometimes a vendor will ask you to > pay much more than you can get retail for, basically, the same drive. > > > > An analogy: If I buy a Ford (Harley Davidson Edition) from the Ford > dealer, and it's $40k, but it includes 5 years maintenance... If I can > purchase the same Ford (But not the Harley Davidson Edition) from a > different dealer, for $25k, without the maintenance package... I'd probably > buy the cheaper truck. > > > > > > --Matt Ross > > Ephrata School District > > > > > > ----- Original Message ----- > > From: Steven Peck > > [mailto:sep...@gmail.com] > > To: NT System Admin Issues > > [mailto:ntsysad...@lyris.sunbelt-software.com] > > Sent: Fri, 04 Dec 2009 > > 12:22:42 -0800 > > Subject: Re: HP drive sleds > > > > > >> I didn't say you had to implement your environments wisely. Merely > >> why there was a cost to buying quality products with support. > >> > >> m'kay? > >> > >> On Fri, Dec 4, 2009 at 11:14 AM, Matthew W. Ross > >> <mr...@ephrataschools.org> wrote: > >> > Okay, is there an option to buy an HP drive without the service to keep > me > >> up? What if I'm okay if the drive fails, and can live with UPS speeds for > a > >> replacement? > >> > > >> > Backups are good, m'kay? > >> > > >> > I see no option from HP for this. I wish they would. > >> > > >> > > >> > --Matt Ross > >> > Ephrata School District > >> > > >> > > >> > ----- Original Message ----- > >> > From: Steven Peck > >> > [mailto:sep...@gmail.com] > >> > To: NT System Admin Issues > >> > [mailto:ntsysad...@lyris.sunbelt-software.com] > >> > Sent: Fri, 04 Dec 2009 > >> > 11:10:07 -0800 > >> > Subject: Re: HP drive sleds > >> > > >> > > >> >> You pay for the testing yes, but you also pay for the ability to call > >> >> HP and have them overnight you a drive when yours showed up on the > >> >> pre-failure warning shows up in SIM. > >> >> > >> >> You are not paying for a drive so much. You are also paying for the > >> >> service to keep you up, or get you back up quickly. > >> >> > >> >> Steven > >> >> > >> >> On Fri, Dec 4, 2009 at 11:06 AM, Matthew W. Ross > >> >> <mr...@ephrataschools.org> wrote: > >> >> > I'm with you, and I agree that the cost of "Server Grade" hard > drives > >> from > >> >> the likes of HP, Dell, and others is outrageous. > >> >> > > >> >> > Now, HP does test their drives, and even a single fault of fairly > >> >> insignificant measure (i.e. one the drive itself can correct) will not > >> pass > >> >> their tests before they deliver a drive to you. That way they can feel > >> >> confident that the drive is "server quality". That's great and all, > but > >> it > >> >> still shouldn't be 5-10 times the cost of the same hard drive, shrink > >> >> wrapped from Western Digital. > >> >> > > >> >> > That being said, I'd be happy to pay double the cost if it was well > >> tested > >> >> and guaranteed by HP. > >> >> > > >> >> > > >> >> > --Matt Ross > >> >> > Ephrata School District > >> >> > > >> >> > > >> >> > ----- Original Message ----- > >> >> > From: Phillip Partipilo > >> >> > [mailto:p...@psnet.com] > >> >> > To: NT System Admin Issues > >> >> > [mailto:ntsysad...@lyris.sunbelt-software.com] > >> >> > Sent: Fri, 04 Dec 2009 > >> >> > 10:50:53 -0800 > >> >> > Subject: HP drive sleds > >> >> > > >> >> > > >> >> >> Whoa this is insane. On the phone, err, handed off the call to > >> somebody > >> >> >> else here to further speak with a supervisor, we just took delivery > of > >> a > >> >> HP > >> >> >> DL185, and there are just placeholders for the hard disks in the > cage. > >> >> No > >> >> >> empty cages provided. They claim there is no way to get an empty > >> cage > >> >> >> without a drive. WTF. They want $100 for a 160 gig drive when I > >> can > >> >> get > >> >> >> 2tb Hitachis for $140. This is bull. We're ready to box this up > >> and > >> >> ship > >> >> >> it right back. Every Supermicro we've bought have come loaded > with > >> >> empty > >> >> >> sleds, and every one of those servers are still running. I know > HP > >> is a > >> >> >> solid server and that's why we made this purchase, but this is > >> grinding > >> >> my > >> >> >> gears. > >> >> >> > >> >> >> > >> >> >> Phillip Partipilo > >> >> >> Parametric Solutions Inc. > >> >> >> Jupiter, Florida > >> >> >> (561) 747-6107 > >> >> >> > >> >> >> > >> >> >> > >> >> >> > >> >> >> > >> >> >> > >> >> >> THIS ELECTRONIC MESSAGE AND ANY ATTACHMENTS ARE CONFIDENTIAL > >> >> >> AND PROPRIETARY PROPERTY OF THE SENDER. THE INFORMATION IS > >> >> >> INTENDED FOR USE BY THE ADDRESSEE ONLY. ANY OTHER INTERCEPTION, > >> >> >> COPYING, ACCESSING, OR DISCLOSURE OF THIS MESSAGE IS PROHIBITED. > >> >> >> IF YOU HAVE RECEIVED THIS MESSAGE IN ERROR, PLEASE IMMEDIATELY > >> >> >> NOTIFY THE SENDER AND DELETE THIS MAIL AND ALL ATTACHMENTS. 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