We are, for some value of "profession", not, and I'm grateful for it. That value would include, most especially, licensing, boards, etc.
Doesn't mean we shouldn't do our work in a professional manner... On Thu, Oct 28, 2010 at 18:57, Gary Slinger <gary.slin...@gmail.com> wrote: > Lawyers. Accountants. Doctors. > > "CLE" for the former, "CPE" for the second and "a sh!t ton of stuff plus > Boards" for the latter. > > Are we a profession, or not? (Starts a whole new argument! ;)) > ________________________________ > From: Jeff Steward <jstew...@gmail.com> > Date: Thu, 28 Oct 2010 21:51:28 -0400 > To: NT System Admin Issues<ntsysadmin@lyris.sunbelt-software.com> > ReplyTo: "NT System Admin Issues" <ntsysadmin@lyris.sunbelt-software.com> > Subject: Re: trade publications - toss or archive? > +1 to Gary's comments. > Also the sole IT guy here and I'll be honest, when I read your statement > about not having time to read I thought "WTF". Everyone's situation is > different but particularly in IT you *have* to build professional > development into your schedule. I can't think of any other career that has > the volume of ongoing knowledge consumption that our field requires. The > specialty knowledge you hold today will be marginalized within 5 to 7 years. > Not to mention that most IT folks could use a good dose of > business/management reading so we can better relate to the rest of the > organization. If you commute, you could be listening to podcasts or books > on tape/cd if you truly don't have time for reading. > *returns to lurking* > -Jeff Steward > > On Thu, Oct 28, 2010 at 9:18 PM, Gary Slinger <gary.slin...@gmail.com> > wrote: >> >> Now I'm going to preach :) >> >> I've been the only guy, and the junior guy. It's time management. I booked >> the time in to my day, and I was /not/ available for requests. Actual >> honest-to-god "we're down and losing money", yes. But "I wants"? Nope. In >> the queue, and to be done later. >> >> I'm no longer the junior guy. There's a connection between that sentence >> and the first paragraph. >> >> And yes, as a "boss", I expect my staff to build development time in to >> their weeks - and my directs are all fully-billable, >> utilization-is-important guys. >> ________________________________ >> From: "Ralph Smith" <m...@gatewayindustries.org> >> Date: Thu, 28 Oct 2010 21:07:12 -0400 >> To: NT System Admin Issues<ntsysadmin@lyris.sunbelt-software.com> >> ReplyTo: "NT System Admin Issues" <ntsysadmin@lyris.sunbelt-software.com> >> Subject: RE: trade publications - toss or archive? >> No argument there. We all work differently, have different work >> environments and different demands on us both personal and professional. I >> just prefer to do my learning away from all things electronic - I learn >> better that way, and I'm not as distracted by or tempted to keep on trying >> to solve my latest work problem. I don't know what your environment is, but >> when your are basically the only IT guy in the place, it's hard to lock >> yourself away for any meaningful block of time on a regular basis. Not >> impossible - maybe I'll work on that. >> ________________________________ >> From: Gary Slinger [mailto:gary.slin...@gmail.com] >> Sent: Thursday, October 28, 2010 8:00 PM >> To: NT System Admin Issues >> Subject: Re: trade publications - toss or archive? >> >> I won't preach or argue, but I've enough years and seniority in me to say >> that whether you carve it in to your actual work day or do it later, you >> pretty much have to do it -- and I can think of a dozen senior execs that >> legitimately build it in to their day. It's work. >> ________________________________ >> From: "Ralph Smith" <m...@gatewayindustries.org> >> Date: Thu, 28 Oct 2010 19:26:00 -0400 >> To: NT System Admin Issues<ntsysadmin@lyris.sunbelt-software.com> >> ReplyTo: "NT System Admin Issues" <ntsysadmin@lyris.sunbelt-software.com> >> Subject: RE: trade publications - toss or archive? >> Hm. Building time into my work day for reading ain't gonna work - too >> much to do and too little time as it is. The Kindle, iStuff etc. might be >> good if I had one. Maybe somebody will get me one for my birthday. >> >> >> ________________________________ >> From: Gary Slinger [mailto:gary.slin...@gmail.com] >> Sent: Thursday, October 28, 2010 6:29 PM >> To: NT System Admin Issues >> Subject: Re: trade publications - toss or archive? >> >> Not disagreeing - I want that work stuff available as reference at my desk >> or hotel table. As I say, hobby and business stuff, on paper so I can read >> it at the bar - I don't read tech pubs socially. >> >> I have been known to build time in to my work schedule for professional >> reading/development. >> ________________________________ >> From: "Ralph Smith" <m...@gatewayindustries.org> >> Date: Thu, 28 Oct 2010 18:02:06 -0400 >> To: NT System Admin Issues<ntsysadmin@lyris.sunbelt-software.com> >> ReplyTo: "NT System Admin Issues" <ntsysadmin@lyris.sunbelt-software.com> >> Subject: RE: trade publications - toss or archive? >> All good points about the advantages of digital, but for me if I'm in >> front of the computer I'm usually working, not reading magazines. So for me >> if it's digital the only time I'll reference it is if I need something >> specific. I like to get away from the computer to do my reading. >> ________________________________ >> From: Gary Slinger [mailto:gary.slin...@gmail.com] >> Sent: Thursday, October 28, 2010 5:15 PM >> To: NT System Admin Issues >> Subject: Re: trade publications - toss or archive? >> >> PDF/A read on an iPad. Indexed, searchable, easily carryable in bulk or >> shared out via a/the Cloud. >> >> I like my guitar, gun and business mags on paper, so I can read them over >> lunch/dinner at a bar and then trash them. Anything to do with "work", >> digital is king. >> ________________________________ >> From: "Raper, Jonathan - Eagle" <jra...@eaglemds.com> >> Date: Thu, 28 Oct 2010 17:11:00 -0400 >> To: NT System Admin Issues<ntsysadmin@lyris.sunbelt-software.com> >> ReplyTo: "NT System Admin Issues" <ntsysadmin@lyris.sunbelt-software.com> >> Subject: RE: trade publications - toss or archive? >> >> +100 >> >> >> >> I’m afraid that we’re seeing the end of paper bound trade pubs as we know >> it. >> >> >> >> Call me old fashioned, but I think it is sooooooo much easier to thumb >> through a book or magazine sometimes than to search online. And then there’s >> also the concern of whether the content has been tampered with or not. Hard >> to tamper with a physical copy once it has been printed and bound… >> >> >> >> Jonathan L. Raper, A+, MCSA, MCSE >> Technology Coordinator >> Eagle Physicians & Associates, PA >> jra...@eaglemds.com >> www.eaglemds.com >> >> ________________________________ >> >> From: Crawford, Scott [mailto:crawfo...@evangel.edu] >> Sent: Thursday, October 28, 2010 4:52 PM >> To: NT System Admin Issues >> Subject: RE: trade publications - toss or archive? >> >> >> >> I’m pretty disappointed it went digital. I’d definitely be willing to pay >> for it, but they gave out so many free subscriptions, I think it just became >> a casualty. >> >> >> >> From: Ralph Smith [mailto:m...@gatewayindustries.org] >> Sent: Thursday, October 28, 2010 3:38 PM >> To: NT System Admin Issues >> Subject: RE: trade publications - toss or archive? >> >> >> >> I’m curious – a few mentioned keeping their old TechNet magazines. Does >> everyone else keep up with that publication since it went digital only? I >> used to look forward to it, but have to admit I haven’t looked at it since >> it stopped coming in a print version. >> >> >> >> ________________________________ >> >> From: Raper, Jonathan - Eagle [mailto:jra...@eaglemds.com] >> Sent: Thursday, October 28, 2010 4:34 PM >> To: NT System Admin Issues >> Subject: RE: trade publications - toss or archive? >> >> >> >> Aside from that…the nagging thing in my mind is the conspiracy theory >> voice that says, if you have it in print, you can prove it. If it is >> online…well, it can be changed… >> >> >> >> J >> >> >> >> Jonathan L. Raper, A+, MCSA, MCSE >> Technology Coordinator >> Eagle Physicians & Associates, PA >> jra...@eaglemds.com >> www.eaglemds.com >> >> ________________________________ >> >> From: Don Kuhlman [mailto:drkuhl...@yahoo.com] >> Sent: Thursday, October 28, 2010 4:25 PM >> To: NT System Admin Issues >> Subject: Re: trade publications - toss or archive? >> >> >> >> True - that's what I keep thinking, maybe all of this is right at our >> fingertips online for however long we will need it, but then the pack rat >> comes back and whispers, you know, you may need this little book or that >> little article and it won't be out there... >> >> >> >> ________________________________ >> >> From: Ben Schorr <b...@rolandschorr.com> >> To: NT System Admin Issues <ntsysadmin@lyris.sunbelt-software.com> >> Sent: Thu, October 28, 2010 3:10:39 PM >> Subject: RE: trade publications - toss or archive? >> >> I had that situation. Then my wife and I moved to a new house and I took >> the opportunity to donate most of them to the local public library. I >> realized that I’d rarely opened any of those books in the previous two years >> (Google is so much easier). >> >> >> >> >> >> Ben M. Schorr >> Chief Executive Officer >> ______________________________________________ >> Roland Schorr & Tower >> www.rolandschorr.com >> b...@rolandschorr.com >> >> Twitter: http://www.twitter.com/bschorr >> >> Facebook: http://www.facebook.com/rolandschorr >> >> >> >> From: Jacob [mailto:ja...@excaliburfilms.com] >> Sent: Thursday, October 28, 2010 13:03 >> To: NT System Admin Issues >> Subject: RE: trade publications - toss or archive? >> >> >> >> In my office at home, I had a bookshelf full of IT books dating back to >> Windows 3.1, etc. The bookshelf got full. So I was able to come up with one >> solution… Get another bookshelf ;-) >> >> >> >> One of these days, I will toss some of them. >> >> >> >> From: Don Kuhlman [mailto:drkuhl...@yahoo.com] >> Sent: Thursday, October 28, 2010 10:51 AM >> To: NT System Admin Issues >> Subject: Re: trade publications - toss or archive? >> >> >> >> I still have the Windows IT Pro mags too. I get rid of the CIO, >> Information week, etc. type pubs. I do have about 30 years of Model >> Railroading mags that I won't get rid of :) >> >> My other bad habit is keeping those thick Software books like NT 4.0 >> Networking, SMS Admin Scripting, Teach yourself C in 21 days, etc. That's >> where I should clean house... >> >> >> >> Don K >> >> >> >> ________________________________ >> >> From: Webster <carlwebs...@gmail.com> >> To: NT System Admin Issues <ntsysadmin@lyris.sunbelt-software.com> >> Sent: Thu, October 28, 2010 12:45:57 PM >> Subject: RE: trade publications - toss or archive? >> >> I still keep my TechNet and Windows IT Pro mags. I threw out all the >> other mags I had dating back to 1984. I had to get permission from my >> office landlord to throw them all away because I filled up the dumpster for >> the building! City recycling didn’t want that much paper. >> >> >> >> >> >> Webster >> >> >> >> From: Raper, Jonathan - Eagle [mailto:jra...@eaglemds.com] >> Subject: OT: trade publications - toss or archive? >> >> >> >> Ok, so I’ll let you in on a little secret. I’m a pack rat. >> >> >> >> I’m trying to change….really. >> >> >> >> I’ve got a ton of trade publications, dating back years: >> >> >> >> Information Week >> >> CIO Decisions >> >> Technet >> >> Windows IT Pro >> >> Storage >> >> Information Security >> >> >> >> And I’m sure a few others. >> >> >> >> For those of you that subscribe to and read these magazines, do you see >> ANY value in keeping them for any length of time after you’ve skimmed/read >> them? 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