Not looked into pricing yet but assumed it would be cheaper to get the view licenses we got given put under maintenance than to buy something from scratch.
That was before I read about Microsoft VDA licensing and realised we're likely screwed by that so far as VDI being a cost effective option so we're back full circle to TS :) From: kz2...@googlemail.com [mailto:kz2...@googlemail.com] Sent: 06 July 2011 20:22 To: NT System Admin Issues Subject: Re: Citrix/RDP Alternatives? Why go with view cos you have vmware? Xendesktop runs fine on ESX hosts. Sent from my POS BlackBerry wireless device, which may wipe itself at any moment ________________________________ From: Paul Hutchings <paul.hutchi...@mira.co.uk<mailto:paul.hutchi...@mira.co.uk>> Date: Wed, 6 Jul 2011 18:59:43 +0000 To: NT System Admin Issues<ntsysadmin@lyris.sunbelt-software.com<mailto:ntsysadmin@lyris.sunbelt-software.com>> ReplyTo: "NT System Admin Issues" <ntsysadmin@lyris.sunbelt-software.com<mailto:ntsysadmin@lyris.sunbelt-software.com>> Subject: RE: Citrix/RDP Alternatives? Thanks, that sounds like sufficient to encourage me to give it a try - I'm sure all the info is on the vmware website but it's a little too much marketing bull and TCO/ROI at a glance vs. the basic "How do I do it?". We're already a vSphere shop and capacity shouldn't be an issue so it makes sense IMO to look at View before XenDesktop, plus it appears we have a View 3.x starter bundle licensed already as some kind of promo from where we went to ESX. They aren't under maintenance but I'd assume that could be reinstated more cheaply than any alternative. Final minor question, from what I can see you can run View on your existing vSphere hosts - do your VDI desktops show in the main vCenter or is it all "encapsulated" within the View management server so it's kind of out of sight? Paul From: N Parr [mailto:npar...@mortonind.com]<mailto:[mailto:npar...@mortonind.com]> Sent: 06 July 2011 18:47 To: NT System Admin Issues Subject: RE: Citrix/RDP Alternatives? Not dumb, VMware has plenty of papers and recorded webex demo's. You only create one template machine, or you can have multiple with different configs assigned to different pools. Then shut it down, snap it and assign the snap to the pool. Choose persistent or non-persistent clones based on your need and they are automatically cloned, sysprepped and added to the domain OU of your choice. When you need to update you turn on the template, update, re-snap and tell the pool to use the new snap. The reason we decided to go with View over Citrix, TS, etc is because we are already virtualized and had the capacity. And our ERP system was data intensive and to slow moving data over remote VPN's. 2k for a 10 pack of starter licenses and literally 4 hours later I had users logging in and using view. I have yet to have someone tell me they set up any similar solution with little to no experience in that time frame and cost. ________________________________ From: Paul Hutchings [mailto:paul.hutchi...@mira.co.uk]<mailto:[mailto:paul.hutchi...@mira.co.uk]> Sent: Wednesday, July 06, 2011 11:58 AM To: NT System Admin Issues Subject: RE: Citrix/RDP Alternatives? Presumably it's no different in terms of management from having, say, 5 desktops to manage? How do you handle things like "master images" when your apps change? I'm assuming that as with real desktops you'd have 5 machines to bring up to date? Should add we're a vSphere shop but I have no experience whatsoever of VDI so apologies for what may be dumb questions. ________________________________ From: N Parr [npar...@mortonind.com] Sent: 06 July 2011 4:38 PM To: NT System Admin Issues Subject: RE: Citrix/RDP Alternatives? We used Vmware View for over a year now. Just upgraded to 4.6 and published a connection server so users can get remote access without any VPN. Works like a charm. And the president of the company is still giddy that it works on his iPad. ________________________________ From: Paul Hutchings [mailto:paul.hutchi...@mira.co.uk]<mailto:[mailto:paul.hutchi...@mira.co.uk]> Sent: Wednesday, July 06, 2011 10:10 AM To: NT System Admin Issues Subject: Citrix/RDP Alternatives? We have a few in-house Windows applications that are pretty heavy on bandwidth so aren't easy to run/provision over a VPN. Are there any options out there that work off concurrent use rather than named user or device? Seems that the likes of Citrix or Ericom still rely on having a Terminal Services box underneath as does (obviously) Remote App. One option, and it's not something I have experience of, may be a pool of virtual desktops? Any ideas would be appreciated. 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