On Tuesday, February 14, 2012, Travis Oliphant <tra...@continuum.io> wrote: >> >> I have to agree with Mathew here, to a point. There has been discussions of these groups before, but I don't recall any announcement of this group. Of course, now that it has been announced, maybe a link to it should be prominent on the numpy/scipy pages(maybe others?). It should also be in the list of mailing lists. > > I'm happy for all these discussions to be in the open. > >> >> A funding org much like the Linux Foundation would be great, and I am all for it. A separate governing committee is also important, and I think we had some very good ideas in previous discussions. >> >> I also have to agree with Matthew's concerns about the concentration of developer resources at Continuum. I think that establishing a community-driven governance committee would be crucial in making sure that Continuum's (and Enthought's??) efforts go to serve both the community and the company's customers. > > I can try and re-assure you that all will be well, but I know that time is the only thing that will prove that out as each one will decide for themselves whether or not their input is valued and acted upon. To provide some perspective, for the next 5 months at least, Continuum will be providing 3.5 people at least 50% to the NumPy project plus dev ops help to get issue tracking and continuous build integration set up. After that we will have at least 1.5 people devoted full-time to the open-source NumPy project (more if possible). I would like this support to actually go through the Foundation (which already has a community governance and non-profit mission statement), but this takes some leg-work in getting the Foundation setup and organizing those contracts. But, that is my intent and what I am working to get in place eventually.
That's good, and all of this is all in NumPy's benefit. I think that This is now the perfect time to establish some sort of governance, even if it is provincial. This has absolutely nothing against you (as you have done an excellent job so far), but now that the numpy community has grown this much and there are so many stake-holders, a formal governance will be essential for community cohesion. > > Obviously, the fact that I am deeply involved in NumPy complicates the question of "community governance" for some people, but I hope you will trust that we are just trying to improve NumPy as we understand it. I remain interested in others views of what "improving NumPy" means. But, I do have a long list of ideas that I am anxious to get started on. > And I don't want the governance to hinder those ideas. I just see it as inevitable that there will be disagreements and having an agreed-upon structure by which to resolve them would be most beneficial. Also, such a committee could be used to solicit feedback on RFCs and NEPs. >> >> Travis, in about a month, I will be starting up work at a company that has been users of the SciPy stack, but has not been active members of the community. I wish to change that. Will this Funding committee serve as a face for numpy for private companies? > > Absolutely. The Foundation web-site is getting set up right now. It will be an evolving thing, and your feedback about how the Foundation can help you get your company involved will be very helpful. I would like multiple companies to interact through the Foundation, and that is how I would ultimately like Continuum to interact with the community as well. The fact that Continuum employs people who work on NumPy should be no more concerning than the fact that Google employs people that work on Python, or that Enthought employs people who work on SciPy and NumPy. I recognize that my role in NumPy, the Foundation, and my company may be concerning for some. I firmly believe that NumPy is successful because of everybody who has participated. I am not interested in somehow changing that. I just want to do what I can to accelerate it. > > I look forward to working with you and your company in the Foundation. > Me too. Ben Root
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