This looks good. Maggie and Bryan are now setting up a Redmine instance to try out how hard that is to administer. I have some experience with Redmine and have liked what I've seen in the past. I think the user experience that Ralf is providing feedback on is much more important than how hard it is to administer.
NumFocus will dedicate resources to administer the system. -Travis On Apr 12, 2012, at 11:43 AM, Ralf Gommers wrote: > > > On Tue, Apr 10, 2012 at 9:53 PM, David Cournapeau <courn...@gmail.com> wrote: > > > On Tue, Apr 10, 2012 at 8:40 PM, Ralf Gommers <ralf.gomm...@googlemail.com> > wrote: > > > On Mon, Apr 9, 2012 at 10:32 PM, Bryan Van de Ven <bry...@continuum.io> wrote: > On 4/3/12 4:18 PM, Ralf Gommers wrote: > > Here some first impressions. > > > > The good: > > - It's responsive! > > - It remembers my preferences (view type, # of issues per page, etc.) > > - Editing multiple issues with the command window is easy. > > - Search and filter functionality is powerful > > > > The bad: > > - Multiple projects are supported, but issues are then really mixed. > > The way this works doesn't look very useful for combined admin of > > numpy/scipy trackers. > > - I haven't found a way yet to make versions and subsystems appear in > > the one-line issue overview. > > - Fixed issues are still shown by default. There are several open > > issues filed against youtrack about this, with no reasonable answers. > > - Plain text attachments (.txt, .diff, .patch) can't be viewed, only > > downloaded. > > - No direct VCS integration, only via Teamcity (not set up, so can't > > evaluate). > > - No useful default views as in Trac > > (http://projects.scipy.org/scipy/report). > > Ralf, regarding some of the issues: > > Hi Bryan, thanks for looking into this. > > I think for numpy/scipy trackers, we could simply run separate instances > of YouTrack for each. > > That would work. It does mean that there's no maintenance advantage over > using Trac here. > > Also we can certainly create some standard > queries. It's a small pain not to have useful defaults, but it's only a > one-time pain. :) > > That should help. > > Also, what kind of integration are you looking for with github? There > does appear to be the ability to issue commands to youtrack through git > commits, which does not depend on TeamCity, as best I can tell: > > http://confluence.jetbrains.net/display/YTD3/GitHub+Integration > http://blogs.jetbrains.com/youtrack/tag/github-integration/ > > I'm not sure this is what you were thinking about though. > > That does help. The other thing that's useful is to reference commits (like > commit:abcd123 in current Trac) and have them turned into links to commits on > Github. This is not a showstopper for me though. > > For the other issues, Maggie or I can try and see what we can find out > about implementing them, or working around them, this week. > > I'd say that from the issues I mentioned, the biggest one is the one-line > view. So these two: > > - I haven't found a way yet to make versions and subsystems appear in > the one-line issue overview. > - Fixed issues are still shown by default. There are several open > issues filed against youtrack about this, with no reasonable answers. > > Of course, we'd like to evaluate any other viable issue trackers as > > well. Do you have any suggestions for other systems besides YouTrack? > > David wrote up some issues (some of which I didn't check) with current Trac > and looked at Redmine before. He also mentioned Roundup. See > http://projects.scipy.org/numpy/wiki/ImprovingIssueWorkflow > > Redmine does look good from a quick browse (better view, does display diffs). > It would be good to get the opinions of a few more people on this topic. > > Redmine is "trac on RoR", but it solves two significant issues over trac: > - mass edit (e.g. moving things to a new mileston is simple and doable from > the UI) > - REST API by default, so that we can build simple command line tools on > top of it (this changed since I made the wiki page) > > It is a PITA to install, though, at least if you are not familiar with ruby, > and I heard it is hard to manage as well. > > Thanks, that's a clear description of pros and cons. It's also easy to play > with Redmine at demo.redmine.org. That site allows you to set up a new > project and try the admin interface. > > My current list of preferences is: > > 1. Redmine (if admin overhead is not unreasonable) > 2. Trac with performance issues solved > 3. Github > 4. YouTrack > 5. Trac with current performance > > Ralf > > _______________________________________________ > NumPy-Discussion mailing list > NumPy-Discussion@scipy.org > http://mail.scipy.org/mailman/listinfo/numpy-discussion
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