This is perhaps a permissions problem. 

You need to give newhidups the "-u root" option, or else it will drop
root privileges and probably not be able to open the device.  Also,
the newhidups driver has no "start" argument.

Try this: kill all running drivers, and stop upsd and upsmon. Then:

/lib/nut/newhidups -u root -DD -a belkin-ups

-- Peter


A.Lizard wrote:
> 
> suAt 09:08 AM 2/21/07, you wrote:
> looks like you were right, but even with the process killed the problem 
> doesn't go away. Chalk up the typos in the following to my starting this 
> before finishing my first cup of coffee.
> 
> thanks
> A.Lizard
> 
> [EMAIL PROTECTED]:~$ ps -ef | grep ups
> root      2659     1  0 12:30 ?        00:00:00 /usr/sbin/cupsd
> root      2686  2676  0 12:30 ?        00:00:00 hald-addon-hid-ups: 
> listening on /dev/usb/hiddev0
> nut       2825     1  0 12:30 ?        00:00:00 /sbin/upsd
> root      2827     1  0 12:30 ?        00:00:00 /sbin/upsmon
> nut       2828  2827  0 12:30 ?        00:00:00 /sbin/upsmon
> [EMAIL PROTECTED]:~$ su
> Password:
> terrarium:/home/alizard# kill -9 2886
> bash: kill: (2886) - No such process
> terrarium:/home/alizard# kill -9 2686
> terrarium:/home/alizard# /etc/init.d/nut stop
> Stopping Network UPS Tools: (upsdrvctl failed) upsd upsmon.
> terrarium:/home/alizard# /etc/init.d/nut start
> Starting Network UPS Tools: (upsdrvctl failed) upsd upsmon.
> terrarium:/home/alizard# ps -sf | grep ups
> Warning: bad ps syntax, perhaps a bogus '-'? See http://procps.sf.net/faq.html
>      0  9029 0000000000000000 0000000000000000 0000000000000000 
> 0000000000000000 S+   pts/1      0:00      \_ grep ups
> terrarium:/home/alizard# ps -ef | grep ups
> root      2659     1  0 12:30 ?        00:00:00 /usr/sbin/cupsd
> nut       9010     1  0 12:40 ?        00:00:00 /sbin/upsd
> root      9012     1  0 12:40 ?        00:00:00 /sbin/upsmon
> nut       9013  9012  0 12:40 ?        00:00:00 /sbin/upsmon
> root      9034  8950  0 12:41 pts/1    00:00:00 grep ups
> terrarium:/home/alizard# /etc/init.d/nut stop
> Stopping Network UPS Tools: (upsdrvctl failed) upsd upsmon.
> terrarium:/home/alizard# ps -ef | grep ups
> root      2659     1  0 12:30 ?        00:00:00 /usr/sbin/cupsd
> root      9050  8950  0 12:42 pts/1    00:00:00 grep ups
> terrarium:/home/alizard# exit
> exit
> [EMAIL PROTECTED]:~$ /etc/init.d/nut start
> Starting Network UPS Tools: (upsdrvctl failed) upsd upsmon.
> [EMAIL PROTECTED]:~$ newhidups -a belkin-ups
> bash: newhidups: command not found
> [EMAIL PROTECTED]:~$ su root
> Password:
> terrarium:/home/alizard# newhidups -a belkin-ups start
> bash: newhidups: command not found
> terrarium:/home/alizard# /sbin/newhidups -a belkin-ups start~
> bash: /sbin/newhidups: No such file or directory
> terrarium:/home/alizard# locate newhidups
> /home/alizard/Desktop/FC6install-img/newhidups-problem.html
> /home/alizard/Desktop/FC6install-img/newhidups-use-dev-tree.html
> /home/alizard/install/nut-usb/lib/nut/newhidups
> /home/alizard/install/nut-usb/usr/share/man/man8/newhidups.8.gz
> /home/alizard/linux_info/download/nut-2.0.4/drivers/newhidups
> /home/alizard/linux_info/download/nut-2.0.4/drivers/newhidups.c
> /home/alizard/linux_info/download/nut-2.0.4/drivers/newhidups.h
> /home/alizard/linux_info/download/nut-2.0.4/drivers/newhidups.o
> /home/alizard/linux_info/download/nut-2.0.4/man/newhidups.8
> /home/alizard/win/business/article-archive-2006-2007/Linux-UPS/nuts-problems/newhidups-man.html
> /lib/nut/newhidups
> /usr/share/man/man8/newhidups.8.gz
> terrarium:/home/alizard# /lib/nut/newhidups -a belkin-ups start~
> Network UPS Tools: 0.28 USB communication driver 0.28 - core 0.30 (2.0.5)
> No matching HID UPS found
> terrarium:/home/alizard# /lib/nut/newhidups -DD -a belkin-ups start
> Network UPS Tools: 0.28 USB communication driver 0.28 - core 0.30 (2.0.5)
> debug level is '2'
> Checking device (0000/0000) (002/001)
> - VendorID: 0000
> - ProductID: 0000
> - Manufacturer: unknown
> - Product: unknown
> - Serial Number: unknown
> - Bus: 002
> Trying to match device
> Device does not match - skipping
> Checking device (04A9/220E) (001/009)
> - VendorID: 04a9
> - ProductID: 220e
> - Manufacturer: unknown
> - Product: unknown
> - Serial Number: unknown
> - Bus: 001
> Trying to match device
> Device does not match - skipping
> Checking device (050D/0551) (001/008)
> - VendorID: 050d
> - ProductID: 0551
> - Manufacturer: unknown
> - Product: unknown
> - Serial Number: unknown
> - Bus: 001
> Trying to match device
> Device matches
> failed to claim USB device, trying 2 more time(s)...
> detaching kernel driver from USB device...
> failed to detach kernel driver from USB device...
> trying again to claim USB device...
> failed to claim USB device, trying 1 more time(s)...
> detaching kernel driver from USB device...
> failed to detach kernel driver from USB device...
> trying again to claim USB device...
> failed to claim USB device, trying 0 more time(s)...
> detaching kernel driver from USB device...
> failed to detach kernel driver from USB device...
> trying again to claim USB device...
> Unable to get HID descriptor (error sending control message: Operation not 
> permitted)
> HID descriptor retrieved (Reportlen = 424)
> Unable to get Report descriptor (-1): Operation not permitted
> Checking device (04A9/1094) (001/007)
> - VendorID: 04a9
> - ProductID: 1094
> - Manufacturer: unknown
> - Product: unknown
> - Serial Number: unknown
> - Bus: 001
> Trying to match device
> Device does not match - skipping
> Checking device (058F/9254) (001/006)
> - VendorID: 058f
> - ProductID: 9254
> - Manufacturer: unknown
> - Product: unknown
> - Serial Number: unknown
> - Bus: 001
> Trying to match device
> Device does not match - skipping
> Checking device (0000/0000) (001/001)
> - VendorID: 0000
> - ProductID: 0000
> - Manufacturer: unknown
> - Product: unknown
> - Serial Number: unknown
> - Bus: 001
> Trying to match device
> Device does not match - skipping
> No appropriate HID device found
> No matching HID UPS found
> terrarium:/home/alizard# ps -ef | grep ups
> root      2659     1  0 12:30 ?        00:00:00 /usr/sbin/cupsd
> alizard   9062     1  0 12:42 ?        00:00:00 /sbin/upsd
> alizard   9066     1  0 12:42 ?        00:00:00 /sbin/upsmon
> alizard   9067  9066  0 12:42 ?        00:00:00 /sbin/upsmon
> root      9422  9096  0 12:45 pts/1    00:00:00 grep ups
> terrarium:/home/alizard# /etc/init.d/nut stop
> Stopping Network UPS Tools: (upsdrvctl failed) upsd upsmon.
> terrarium:/home/alizard# exit
> exit
> [EMAIL PROTECTED]:~$ /lib/nut/newhidups -DD -a belkin-ups start
> Network UPS Tools: 0.28 USB communication driver 0.28 - core 0.30 (2.0.5)
> debug level is '2'
> Checking device (0000/0000) (002/001)
> - VendorID: 0000
> - ProductID: 0000
> - Manufacturer: unknown
> - Product: unknown
> - Serial Number: unknown
> - Bus: 002
> Trying to match device
> Device does not match - skipping
> Checking device (04A9/220E) (001/009)
> - VendorID: 04a9
> - ProductID: 220e
> - Manufacturer: Canon
> - Product: CanoScan
> - Serial Number: unknown
> - Bus: 001
> Trying to match device
> Device does not match - skipping
> Checking device (050D/0551) (001/008)
> - VendorID: 050d
> - ProductID: 0551
> - Manufacturer: unknown
> - Product: unknown
> - Serial Number: unknown
> - Bus: 001
> Trying to match device
> Device matches
> failed to claim USB device, trying 2 more time(s)...
> detaching kernel driver from USB device...
> failed to detach kernel driver from USB device...
> trying again to claim USB device...
> failed to claim USB device, trying 1 more time(s)...
> detaching kernel driver from USB device...
> failed to detach kernel driver from USB device...
> trying again to claim USB device...
> failed to claim USB device, trying 0 more time(s)...
> detaching kernel driver from USB device...
> failed to detach kernel driver from USB device...
> trying again to claim USB device...
> Unable to get HID descriptor (error sending control message: Operation not 
> permitted)
> HID descriptor retrieved (Reportlen = 424)
> Unable to get Report descriptor (-1): Operation not permitted
> Checking device (04A9/1094) (001/007)
> - VendorID: 04a9
> - ProductID: 1094
> - Manufacturer: unknown
> - Product: unknown
> - Serial Number: unknown
> - Bus: 001
> Trying to match device
> Device does not match - skipping
> Checking device (058F/9254) (001/006)
> - VendorID: 058f
> - ProductID: 9254
> - Manufacturer: unknown
> - Product: unknown
> - Serial Number: unknown
> - Bus: 001
> Trying to match device
> Device does not match - skipping
> Checking device (0000/0000) (001/001)
> - VendorID: 0000
> - ProductID: 0000
> - Manufacturer: unknown
> - Product: unknown
> - Serial Number: unknown
> - Bus: 001
> Trying to match device
> Device does not match - skipping
> No appropriate HID device found
> No matching HID UPS found
> [EMAIL PROTECTED]:~$
> 
> 
> 
> 
> >This looks like another driver is already attached to your Belkin.
> >Perhaps you already have a copy of newhidups running in the
> >background, or perhaps as a zombie process left over from previous
> >experiments. Try
> >
> >ps -ef | grep ups
> >
> >to see what is running, and kill it if necessary. -- Peter
> >
> >A.Lizard wrote:
> > >
> > > I almost had nut_2.0.5-3_i386.deb (from
> > > http://packages.debian.org/unstable/admin/nut - installed via dpkg, not 
> > via
> > > repository) working:
> > >
> > > * problems with getting it to come up during boot
> > > * monitoring via knutclient was OK
> > > * shutdown on low battery worked adequately, if not quite as described)
> > >
> > > and newhidups suddenly stopped talking to my Belkin F6C550-AVR . It's only
> > > been in use for a couple of months, so I doubt it's a hardware problem. 
> > And
> > > in general, the USB setup works, my printer runs just fine.
> > >
> > > also installed - nut-usb nut-dev (2.0.5-3)
> > >
> > > Computer hardware:
> > > Biostar Geforce 6100 AM2  (integrated motherboard nvidia chipsets)
> > > OS: Debian Etch
> > > terrarium:/home/alizard/install# uname -a
> > > Linux terrarium 2.6.18-3-486 #1 Mon Dec 4 15:59:52 UTC 2006 i686 GNU/Linux
> > >
> > >
> > > thanks
> > > A.Lizard
> > >
> > > terrarium:/etc/default# /lib/nut/newhidups -DD port=auto
> > > Network UPS Tools: 0.28 USB communication driver 0.28 - core 0.30 (2.0.5)
> > >
> > > Checking device (050D/0551) (001/008)
> > > - VendorID: 050d
> > > - ProductID: 0551
> > > - Manufacturer: unknown
> > > - Product: unknown
> > > - Serial Number: unknown
> > > - Bus: 001
> > > Trying to match device
> > > Device matches
> > > failed to claim USB device, trying 2 more time(s)...
> > > detaching kernel driver from USB device...
> > > failed to detach kernel driver from USB device...
> > > trying again to claim USB device...
> > > failed to claim USB device, trying 1 more time(s)...
> > > detaching kernel driver from USB device...
> > > failed to detach kernel driver from USB device...
> > > trying again to claim USB device...
> > > failed to claim USB device, trying 0 more time(s)...
> > > detaching kernel driver from USB device...
> > > failed to detach kernel driver from USB device...
> > > trying again to claim USB device...
> > > Unable to get HID descriptor (error sending control message: Operation not
> > > permitted)
> > > HID descriptor retrieved (Reportlen = 424)
> > > Unable to get Report descriptor (-1): Operation not permitted
> > >
> > > Checking device (0000/0000) (001/001)
> > > - VendorID: 0000
> > > - ProductID: 0000
> > > - Manufacturer: unknown
> > > - Product: unknown
> > > - Serial Number: unknown
> > > - Bus: 001
> > > Trying to match device
> > > Device does not match - skipping
> > > No appropriate HID device found

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