Dustin, I'm not quite sure how you form conclusions so I guess I better be more specific. I never said nor do I believe I inferred that my broadband sucks. I think it's great! I have 3 cable modems each providing 8 mbs download and 1 mbps upload. Two of the 3 I have aggregated through a twin wan port router. I love it. I don't think it's expensive at all. Respectfully,
Jim > -----Original Message----- > From: Dustin Goodwin [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] > Sent: Sunday, January 08, 2006 5:02 PM > To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] > Cc: 'Lars Aronsson'; 'nycwireless' > Subject: Re: [nycwireless] Municipal Broadband - Must read! > > > Jim, > I am not sure what rocket you had to strap to this article to > make the > leap from public policy that promotes broadband to socialism. But it > must have been large! Is NYC's water tunnel number 3 > socialism or smart > public policy? What the rural electrification authority socialism or > smart public policy? YOUR ALREADY PAYING SUBSIDIES to the incumbent > telcos and getting nothing for it. How about we stop talking about > socialism and start talking about replacing dumb public policy (like > paying incumbent telcos for broadband we don't get) with smart public > policy. If you happy with current arrangement good for you. I am glad > your broadband sucks and is expensive. Maybe you do something that > doesn't depend on ubiquitous global Internet connectivity priced > properly. But I doubt it. > > - Dustin - > > Jim Henry wrote: > > >Lars, > > I'm OK with street lights and quite a bit more, but > you've got to > >draw the line somewhere. I certainly don't want my tax > dollars paying > >for soeone else's water, electricity, gas, medicine, education, > >healthcare, etc. As to the cost of your broadband > connection, I'd be > >willing to bet you are not counting the taxes you and your fellow > >subjects pay for that municipal fiber network as part of that > >$40/month. Beyond that, I'd also bet you pay a much larger > percentage > >of your income in taxes than I, though mine are already far > too high. > >Taxation is theft and thus immoral. > > > >Jim > > > > > > > >>-----Original Message----- > >>From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] > >>[mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf > >>Of Lars Aronsson > >>Sent: Saturday, January 07, 2006 7:46 AM > >>To: 'nycwireless' > >>Subject: RE: [nycwireless] Municipal Broadband - Must read! > >> > >> > >>Jim Henry wrote: > >> > >> > >> > >>>Just curious, does anyone know if in these countries where > broadband > >>>is cheaper and more prevalent than the U.S., is it really > cheaper or > >>>is it subsidized by the government? I honestly don't know > the answer. > >>>I would like it to be cheaper here also and more > widespread, but not > >>>at the expense of free enterprise. > >>>If it takes socialism to accomplish this, I don't want it. > >>> > >>> > >>I heard that socialism has gone away now that "cialis" is caught > >>in the spam filters. Seriously, though, I have yet to see street > >>lights operated on a pay-per-view commercial basis. Somebody paid > >>once-and-for-all to pave and light the streets, and it could be > >>tax money. Does that make it socialism? > >> > >>In Sweden I pay 320 SEK/mo ($40) for 10 Mbit/s. This is possible > >>because I live in a coop apartment building, where every apartment > >>is wired by an ISP, and the in-house switched LAN is connected to > >>a municipal fiber in the basement. This ISP (www.bredband.com) was > >>founded with venture capital during the dotcom boom and got a > >>contract with the largest national association of apartment coops > >>(www.hsb.se). Through this contract, apartment coops that are > >>members have a very streamlined procedure for signing up to get > >>their apartment buildings wired. > >> > >>This spring, the ISP is introducing a reduced price 2 Mbit/s > >>offering (still over CAT-5 twisted pair ethernet, so I guess it is > >>really 10 Mbit/s but bandwidth limited) and at the same time my > >>line is upgraded to 100 Mbit/s at unchanged price. > >> > >>As far as I know, there is no direct government subsidy, but a lot > >>of factors work together: > >> > >> * Compared to the U.S., more people here live in apartments. > >> People living in private homes cannot get broadband as cheap, > >> simply because wiring a dozen apartments in one building is a > >> lot cheaper than wiring a dozen private homes. > >> > >> * Coops is a very common form of apartment ownership in Sweden > >> since the 1930s, and the national associations work pretty > >> well. The nationwide template contract made it easier for a > >> lot of small coops to sign up, who don't have the technical > >> insights to do their own negotiations. > >> > >> * The dotcom boom provided the venture capital for this > >> broadband-only ISP. You could call this "subsidized by stupid > >> investors". I guess the stock price has fallen, but at least > >> this company is still around. > >> > >> * The old national telco is not involved at all in this solution. > >> > >> * The ISP rents dark fiber from the municipal utility between my > >> building and the ISP's facility in this town. The municipal > >> water, sewer, electricity, and heating utility is operated as a > >> whole-owned corporation (www.tekniskaverken.se) and I don't > >> know exactly how they have financed the build-out of the > >> municipal fiber network. > >> > >>I guess most of these conditions could also apply to New York > >>City, more than to rural or suburban America. > >> > >> > >>-- > >> Lars Aronsson ([EMAIL PROTECTED]) > >> Aronsson Datateknik - http://aronsson.se > >>-- > >>NYCwireless - http://www.nycwireless.net/ > >>Un/Subscribe: > >>http://lists.nycwireless.net/mailman/listinfo/nycwireless/ > >>Archives: http://lists.nycwireless.net/pipermail/nycwireless/ > >> > >> > >> > >>-- > >>No virus found in this incoming message. > >>Checked by AVG Free Edition. > >>Version: 7.1.362 / Virus Database: 267.14.14/222 - Release > >>Date: 1/5/2006 > >> > >> > >> > >> > > > >-- > >NYCwireless - http://www.nycwireless.net/ > >Un/Subscribe: > >http://lists.nycwireless.net/mailman/listinfo/nycwireless/ > >Archives: http://lists.nycwireless.net/pipermail/nycwireless/ > > > > > > > > > -- > No virus found in this incoming message. > Checked by AVG Free Edition. > Version: 7.1.362 / Virus Database: 267.14.14/222 - Release > Date: 1/5/2006 > > -- NYCwireless - http://www.nycwireless.net/ Un/Subscribe: http://lists.nycwireless.net/mailman/listinfo/nycwireless/ Archives: http://lists.nycwireless.net/pipermail/nycwireless/
