All, We are responsible for the sightings we make and the people we share those with. It is important to balance the need for documenting rare and irregular species vs. our desire to share these excellent sightings with others. This is especially true when dealing with sightings of territorial and sedentary species that are more susceptible to disturbances. These species should probably be documented on eBird (www.eBird.org<http://www.ebird.org/>) and the NY State Avian Records Committee ( http://nybirds.org/NYSARC/nysarcform2.htm) rather than the list serve.
Thanks, Sam Stuart On Mon, Feb 6, 2012 at 10:08 AM, david speiser <david_spei...@hotmail.com>wrote: > I too agree with Cindy's summation. > The birding community as a whole should not turn into insular cliques that > make it easy > not to report when you know you will hear about the bird anyway. > Do we want this board to only report Herring Gull's except of course when > a Ross' Gull shows up! > That would need to be kept secret. > > Good birding, > > David Speiser > www.lilibirds.com > > ------------------------------ > Date: Mon, 6 Feb 2012 06:14:22 -0800 > From: catbird...@yahoo.com > Subject: Re: [nysbirds-l] Knee jerk reaction to 2 guys that just didn't > get it > To: nysbirds-l@cornell.edu > > To echo Janet's post and in response to Stella's - I too have seen > photographers being insensitive to snowy owls, on other ocassions. I > remember one time there was a fantastic photo op for one particular owl at > Jones Beach a few years ago.... I even took one of my kids out of school so > he could see this beautiful bird. (there were actually TWO owls at the > beach that day! We saw both of them!). The first, "poster bird" was sitting > on a dune, with at least a half dozen photographers snapping away at a > distance of about 15 feet. Maybe not even that. Unbelievable but true. The > second bird was more skittish and was sitting by itself, closer to the > beach. However, as my son and I were watching it, a jogger running along > the beach passed it too closely (not seeing the bird) and the owl flushed, > flying overhead and away. You just can't win! > > I disagree, however, that owls should not be mentioned on these birding > listservs. I would think that's just the beginning of a slippery > slope....first owls are kept secret, then perhaps a first-of-state nesting, > or other rare bird.... who's to say an inconsiderate photographer, or > birder (yes, those exist as well, I had the experience of one in my own > back yard!), will get close enough to ANY noteworthy bird to shoo it off > and ruin the experience for everyone else (not to mention stressing the > bird!)? > > Keeping sightings limited to "word of mouth" severely restricts who sees > what, turning birding (or the viewing of certain species) into a private > club of sorts - with only the elite "inner circle" allowed to participate. > I for one don't go birding regularly in winter, preferring to just go out > for rarities, and am not in anyone's cell phone contact list. I usually > don't like birding in a crowd. I know a few "key" people but nobody really > well. Word of mouth wouldn't work for me and wouldn't work for many other > respectable, but more casual birders who might come from out of the area > just to see an owl, or any other noteworthy bird. > > There's no way to completely eliminate the problem. There will be clueless > joggers, dogs and their owners, and kids flushing the birds in addition to > the photographers and selfish birders who show up. You can't put a fence > around these birds. I believe that by posting photos or names (or even > license plates) of the perpetrators, they will eventually learn that it's > not worth their while to do what they're doing. Or they won't care and the > occasional bird may suffer an uncomfortable moment or two. I still think > that's better than a whole lot of decent, good folks losing out on > something really special. > > have a great day! > Cindy Wodinsky > -- > *NYSbirds-L List Info:* > Welcome and Basics <http://www.northeastbirding.com/NYSbirdsWELCOME> > Rules and Information <http://www.northeastbirding.com/NYSbirdsRULES> > Subscribe, Configuration and > Leave<http://www.northeastbirding.com/NYSbirdsSubscribeConfigurationLeave.htm> > *Archives:* > The Mail > Archive<http://www.mail-archive.com/nysbirds-l%40cornell.edu/maillist.html> > Surfbirds <http://www.surfbirds.com/birdingmail/Group/NYSBirds-L> > BirdingOnThe.Net <http://birdingonthe.net/mailinglists/NYSB.html> > *Please submit your observations to **eBird*<http://ebird.org/content/ebird/> > *!* > -- > -- > *NYSbirds-L List Info:* > Welcome and Basics <http://www.northeastbirding.com/NYSbirdsWELCOME> > Rules and Information <http://www.northeastbirding.com/NYSbirdsRULES> > Subscribe, Configuration and > Leave<http://www.northeastbirding.com/NYSbirdsSubscribeConfigurationLeave.htm> > *Archives:* > The Mail > Archive<http://www.mail-archive.com/nysbirds-l@cornell.edu/maillist.html> > Surfbirds <http://www.surfbirds.com/birdingmail/Group/NYSBirds-L> > BirdingOnThe.Net <http://birdingonthe.net/mailinglists/NYSB.html> > *Please submit your observations to **eBird*<http://ebird.org/content/ebird/> > *!* > -- > -- -Sam (917) 209-2566 @surfbird917 http://www.flickr.com/photos/pasurfbird/ -- NYSbirds-L List Info: http://www.NortheastBirding.com/NYSbirdsWELCOME http://www.NortheastBirding.com/NYSbirdsRULES http://www.NortheastBirding.com/NYSbirdsSubscribeConfigurationLeave.htm ARCHIVES: 1) http://www.mail-archive.com/nysbirds-l@cornell.edu/maillist.html 2) http://www.surfbirds.com/birdingmail/Group/NYSBirds-L 3) http://birdingonthe.net/mailinglists/NYSB.html Please submit your observations to eBird: http://ebird.org/content/ebird/ --
