I totally agree with Rich. It was a posthaste attempt to justify the unjustifyable. To proceed in trying to stop this we need to determine if the ability to shoot crows is rooted in NY En Con Law or if it stems from federal law....... John Turner
----- Original Message ----- From: Richard Date: Tuesday, March 18, 2014 12:58 pm Subject: Re: [nysbirds-l] Crow Shoot scheduled in Greene County To: Stella Miller Cc: Rick & Linda Kedenburg , Larry Federman , Jonathan Perez , Lynne Hertzog , Cesar Castillo , NYSBIRDS-L , Jim Osterlund > My guess is that nobody will consume any American Crow, Fish > Crow, or Raven unless one or two do so to "justify" the killing > now that it's been put out there. Nobody should believe that was > their original intention. It was just to shoot to wound or kill - > plain and simple. I've seen crippled crows impaired on trees or > flopping on ice to lure more into range. This is not > subsistence hunting - it's wonton killing. > > Rich > > Sent from my wireless tin can > > > On Mar 18, 2014, at 11:21, Stella Miller > wrote: > > > > Is he really confirming that they will be eating these birds? > Sounds as though he is putting it out there that they CAN be > eaten, not necessarily that they will be sitting down to a feast > of Crow Pot Pie. > > > > Stella > > > > > > > > > > "Conservation is sometimes perceived as stopping everything > cold, as holding whooping cranes in higher esteem than people. > It is up to science to spread the understanding that the choice > is not between wild places or people, it is between a rich or an > impoverished existence for Man." Thomas Lovejoy > > From: Rick & Linda Kedenburg > > To: Larry Federman > > Cc: Jonathan Perez ; Richard > ; Lynne Hertzog > ; Cesar Castillo ; > NYSBIRDS-L ; Jim Osterlund > > > Sent: Tuesday, March 18, 2014 10:07 AM > > Subject: Re: [nysbirds-l] Crow Shoot scheduled in Greene County > > > > Dear Larry and others, > > I wrote to the club yesterday and received the following > answer. (See Below) Judging from the way it's worded I don't > think they care what any of us think. It's preposterous that > they are "gathering" the crows to eat. > > > > Approaching our government representatives is a good way to go > but perhaps some press coverage of this event my make them think > twice. I don't know any journalists in that area that would take > up the story. Anyone else have any contacts along these lines. > > > > Best Rick > > > > From: r...@hvc.rr.com > > Subject: Re: Crow Shoot > > Date: March 17, 2014 10:56:54 PM EDT > > To: rickkedenb...@optonline.net > > Rick, > > Thank you for your input. Your opinion of our event is > expected. We applaud your respect for nature and the crow. The > crow is meaningful. We believe in utilizing the animal for all > its worth. It sounds as if you do not realize that crow can and > has been consumed for centuries. I'm sure as anecdotal evidence > you would recall "4 and 20 blackbirds baked in a pie". > > You may gather and eat different things, however that does not > negatively define us as sportsmen. > > RVW Gun Club > > Sent from my iPhone > > > > On Mar 17, 2014, at 6:40 PM, Rick Kedenburg > wrote: > > > > Dear RVW Club. > > As a youth I was a duck and deer hunter on eastern LI. I know > you have every right to conduct this shoot. It is perfectly > legal for this to happen under the rules of the NYS-DEC. > > > > However I am still outraged by this. Crows are one of the most > intelligent creatures we share the Earth with. They have been > documented to fashion and use tools. They are highly social and > live in family groups. My fascination with them led me to love > and appreciate nature long ago. > > > > I hope you can understand that this will not be good for the > reputation of your club or for any responsible hunters. > > > > Rick Kedenburg > > rickkedenb...@optonline.net > > > >> On Mar 18, 2014, at 9:26 AM, Larry Federman wrote: > >> > >> Yes, this is a State issue. Our State Senator is Cecilia > Tkaczyk and our Assembly member is Pete Lopez. Our US > congressman is Chris Gibson. I will be reaching out to all of > their offices. > >> > >> But, as we all know, ‘legally’ the club has a right to do this. > >> > >> And their Facebook page is still up - > https://www.facebook.com/events/258725434301388/>> > >> Larry Federman > >> President, Northern Catskills Audubon > > > > > > -- > > NYSbirds-L List Info: > > Welcome and Basics > > Rules and Information > > Subscribe, Configuration and Leave > > Archives: > > The Mail Archive > > Surfbirds > > BirdingOnThe.Net > > Please submit your observations to eBird! > > -- > > > > > > -- > > NYSbirds-L List Info: > http://www.NortheastBirding.com/NYSbirdsWELCOME > http://www.NortheastBirding.com/NYSbirdsRULES > http://www.NortheastBirding.com/NYSbirdsSubscribeConfigurationLeave.htm > > ARCHIVES: > 1) http://www.mail-archive.com/nysbirds-l@cornell.edu/maillist.html > 2) http://www.surfbirds.com/birdingmail/Group/NYSBirds-L > 3) http://birdingonthe.net/mailinglists/NYSB.html > > Please submit your observations to eBird: > http://ebird.org/content/ebird/ > > -- -- NYSbirds-L List Info: http://www.NortheastBirding.com/NYSbirdsWELCOME http://www.NortheastBirding.com/NYSbirdsRULES http://www.NortheastBirding.com/NYSbirdsSubscribeConfigurationLeave.htm ARCHIVES: 1) http://www.mail-archive.com/nysbirds-l@cornell.edu/maillist.html 2) http://www.surfbirds.com/birdingmail/Group/NYSBirds-L 3) http://birdingonthe.net/mailinglists/NYSB.html Please submit your observations to eBird: http://ebird.org/content/ebird/ --
