I don't have time to read through all these comments so as not to repeat, but I don't think that anyone has used the obvious description of these events as a "MURDER OF CROWS"!
I am a hunter and have defended hunting to a number of birdwatchers recently. Im my opinion what we have here is no more hunting than bull-fighting is sport. Let them eat crow! On Wed, Mar 19, 2014 at 8:25 AM, Arie Gilbert <ariegilb...@optonline.net>wrote: > > *got a gun**,* > *fact I've got two,* > *that's okay man cause I love god**,* > *glorified version of a pellet gun,* > *fell so manly,* > *when armed... *(Pearl Jam) > > Arie Gilbert > North Babylon, NY > > WWW.Powerbirder.blogspot.com > WWW.qcbirdclub.org > > > > On 3/19/2014 6:50 AM, Patricia Aitken wrote: > > According to their facebook page, they also had a Squirrel Skramble, to > see who could shoot the most squirrels. It seems like stopping these hunts > would have to be done by changing the law, as competitive hunting is part > of their club's culture. > > Best, > Pat > > > > > On Mar 19, 2014, at 1:55 AM, <redk...@optonline.net> wrote: > > I totally agree with Rich. It was a posthaste attempt to justify the > unjustifyable. > To proceed in trying to stop this we need to determine if the ability to > shoot crows is rooted in NY En Con Law or if it stems from federal > law....... > > John Turner > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: Richard > Date: Tuesday, March 18, 2014 12:58 pm > Subject: Re: [nysbirds-l] Crow Shoot scheduled in Greene County > To: Stella Miller > Cc: Rick & Linda Kedenburg , Larry Federman , Jonathan Perez , Lynne > Hertzog , Cesar Castillo , NYSBIRDS-L , Jim Osterlund > > > My guess is that nobody will consume any American Crow, Fish > > Crow, or Raven unless one or two do so to "justify" the killing > > now that it's been put out there. Nobody should believe that was > > their original intention. It was just to shoot to wound or kill - > > plain and simple. I've seen crippled crows impaired on trees or > > flopping on ice to lure more into range. This is not > > subsistence hunting - it's wonton killing. > > > > Rich > > > > Sent from my wireless tin can > > > > > On Mar 18, 2014, at 11:21, Stella Miller > > wrote: > > > > > > Is he really confirming that they will be eating these birds? > > Sounds as though he is putting it out there that they CAN be > > eaten, not necessarily that they will be sitting down to a feast > > of Crow Pot Pie. > > > > > > Stella > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > "Conservation is sometimes perceived as stopping everything > > cold, as holding whooping cranes in higher esteem than people. > > It is up to science to spread the understanding that the choice > > is not between wild places or people, it is between a rich or an > > impoverished existence for Man." Thomas Lovejoy > > > From: Rick & Linda Kedenburg > > > To: Larry Federman > > > Cc: Jonathan Perez ; Richard > > ; Lynne Hertzog > > ; Cesar Castillo ; > > NYSBIRDS-L ; Jim Osterlund > > > > > Sent: Tuesday, March 18, 2014 10:07 AM > > > Subject: Re: [nysbirds-l] Crow Shoot scheduled in Greene County > > > > > > Dear Larry and others, > > > I wrote to the club yesterday and received the following > > answer. (See Below) Judging from the way it's worded I don't > > think they care what any of us think. It's preposterous that > > they are "gathering" the crows to eat. > > > > > > Approaching our government representatives is a good way to go > > but perhaps some press coverage of this event my make them think > > twice. I don't know any journalists in that area that would take > > up the story. Anyone else have any contacts along these lines. > > > > > > Best Rick > > > > > > From: r...@hvc.rr.com > > > Subject: Re: Crow Shoot > > > Date: March 17, 2014 10:56:54 PM EDT > > > To: rickkedenb...@optonline.net > > > Rick, > > > Thank you for your input. Your opinion of our event is > > expected. We applaud your respect for nature and the crow. The > > crow is meaningful. We believe in utilizing the animal for all > > its worth. It sounds as if you do not realize that crow can and > > has been consumed for centuries. I'm sure as anecdotal evidence > > you would recall "4 and 20 blackbirds baked in a pie". > > > You may gather and eat different things, however that does not > > negatively define us as sportsmen. > > > RVW Gun Club > > > Sent from my iPhone > > > > > > On Mar 17, 2014, at 6:40 PM, Rick Kedenburg > > wrote: > > > > > > Dear RVW Club. > > > As a youth I was a duck and deer hunter on eastern LI. I know > > you have every right to conduct this shoot. It is perfectly > > legal for this to happen under the rules of the NYS-DEC. > > > > > > However I am still outraged by this. Crows are one of the most > > intelligent creatures we share the Earth with. They have been > > documented to fashion and use tools. They are highly social and > > live in family groups. My fascination with them led me to love > > and appreciate nature long ago. > > > > > > I hope you can understand that this will not be good for the > > reputation of your club or for any responsible hunters. > > > > > > Rick Kedenburg > > > rickkedenb...@optonline.net > > > > > >> On Mar 18, 2014, at 9:26 AM, Larry Federman wrote: > > >> > > >> Yes, this is a State issue. Our State Senator is Cecilia > > Tkaczyk and our Assembly member is Pete Lopez. Our US > > congressman is Chris Gibson. I will be reaching out to all of > > their offices. > > >> > > >> But, as we all know, 'legally' the club has a right to do this. > > >> > > >> And their Facebook page is still up - > > https://www.facebook.com/events/258725434301388/>> > > >> Larry Federman > > >> President, Northern Catskills Audubon > > > > > > > > > -- > > > NYSbirds-L List Info: > > > Welcome and Basics > > > Rules and Information > > > Subscribe, Configuration and Leave > > > Archives: > > > The Mail Archive > > > Surfbirds > > > BirdingOnThe.Net > > > Please submit your observations to eBird! > > > -- > > > > > > > > > > -- > > > > NYSbirds-L List Info: > > http://www.NortheastBirding.com/NYSbirdsWELCOME > > http://www.NortheastBirding.com/NYSbirdsRULES > > http://www.NortheastBirding.com/NYSbirdsSubscribeConfigurationLeave.htm > > > > ARCHIVES: > > 1) http://www.mail-archive.com/nysbirds-l@cornell.edu/maillist.html > > 2) http://www.surfbirds.com/birdingmail/Group/NYSBirds-L > > 3) http://birdingonthe.net/mailinglists/NYSB.html > > > > Please submit your observations to eBird: > > http://ebird.org/content/ebird/ > > > > -- > -- > *NYSbirds-L List Info:* > Welcome and Basics <http://www.northeastbirding.com/NYSbirdsWELCOME> > Rules and Information <http://www.northeastbirding.com/NYSbirdsRULES> > Subscribe, Configuration and > Leave<http://www.northeastbirding.com/NYSbirdsSubscribeConfigurationLeave.htm> > *Archives:* > The Mail > Archive<http://www.mail-archive.com/nysbirds-l@cornell.edu/maillist.html> > Surfbirds <http://www.surfbirds.com/birdingmail/Group/NYSBirds-L> > BirdingOnThe.Net <http://birdingonthe.net/mailinglists/NYSB.html> > *Please submit your observations to **eBird*<http://ebird.org/content/ebird/> > *!* > -- > > -- > *NYSbirds-L List Info:* > Welcome and Basics <http://www.northeastbirding.com/NYSbirdsWELCOME> > Rules and Information <http://www.northeastbirding.com/NYSbirdsRULES> > Subscribe, Configuration and > Leave<http://www.northeastbirding.com/NYSbirdsSubscribeConfigurationLeave.htm> > *Archives:* > The Mail > Archive<http://www.mail-archive.com/nysbirds-l@cornell.edu/maillist.html> > Surfbirds <http://www.surfbirds.com/birdingmail/Group/NYSBirds-L> > BirdingOnThe.Net <http://birdingonthe.net/mailinglists/NYSB.html> > *Please submit your observations to **eBird*<http://ebird.org/content/ebird/> > *!* > -- > > > -- > *NYSbirds-L List Info:* > Welcome and Basics <http://www.northeastbirding.com/NYSbirdsWELCOME> > Rules and Information <http://www.northeastbirding.com/NYSbirdsRULES> > Subscribe, Configuration and > Leave<http://www.northeastbirding.com/NYSbirdsSubscribeConfigurationLeave.htm> > *Archives:* > The Mail > Archive<http://www.mail-archive.com/nysbirds-l@cornell.edu/maillist.html> > Surfbirds <http://www.surfbirds.com/birdingmail/Group/NYSBirds-L> > BirdingOnThe.Net <http://birdingonthe.net/mailinglists/NYSB.html> > *Please submit your observations to **eBird*<http://ebird.org/content/ebird/> > *!* > -- > > > Checked by AVG - www.avg.com > Version: 2014.0.4336 / Virus Database: 3722/7212 - Release Date: 03/18/14 > -- NYSbirds-L List Info: http://www.NortheastBirding.com/NYSbirdsWELCOME http://www.NortheastBirding.com/NYSbirdsRULES http://www.NortheastBirding.com/NYSbirdsSubscribeConfigurationLeave.htm ARCHIVES: 1) http://www.mail-archive.com/nysbirds-l@cornell.edu/maillist.html 2) http://www.surfbirds.com/birdingmail/Group/NYSBirds-L 3) http://birdingonthe.net/mailinglists/NYSB.html Please submit your observations to eBird: http://ebird.org/content/ebird/ --
