Interesting discussion but please continue privately off list.

Thank you.

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[mailto:bounce-118684169-10774...@list.cornell.edu] On Behalf Of Justin Lawson
Sent: Thursday, January 08, 2015 11:09 AM
To: Linda Orkin
Cc: Will Raup; NYSBIRDS-L
Subject: Re: [nysbirds-l] Cassins/Couches survival chances?

Hope we aren't comparing a bird's life to a human life.

On Thursday, January 8, 2015, Linda Orkin 
<wingmagi...@gmail.com<mailto:wingmagi...@gmail.com>> wrote:
It doesn't hurt to help beings in trouble if it is possible to do.   Wouldn't 
you want the same done for you?

Linda Orkin
Ithaca,  NY

On Thu, Jan 8, 2015 at 11:04 AM, Will Raup 
<hoaryredp...@hotmail.com<javascript:_e(%7B%7D,'cvml','hoaryredp...@hotmail.com');>>
 wrote:

Why should we get involved at all?  They are vagrants, moved out of their 
normal range for whatever reason.  They will either survive and return home, or 
they won't.  That's the way nature works.  I think we should stand back and let 
nature take its course and not get directly involved.

Will Raup
Glenmont, NY

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Good discussion,

Here is a Dusky-capped Flycatcher eating fruit/vegetables in the warm climate 
of El Salvador, but I also suspect the 2 kingbirds could use some good bugs in 
this weather.

Perhaps it would be good too make an arrangement with a rehabber in case of 
emergency. Birds get sick fast.

From one who lived with birds, Peter

On Thu, Jan 8, 2015 at 7:47 AM, Rick 
<rc...@nyc.rr.com<javascript:_e(%7B%7D,'cvml','rc...@nyc.rr.com');>> wrote:

True, and don’t forget the somewhat similar overwinter survival of the Rufous 
Hummingbird outside the American Museum of Natural History a few years back; 
the last posting I’m aware of for that bird was 3/11/2012.



2011-12 was a mild winter, admittedly, but hummers are hardly a model of cold 
tolerance (they lack down feathers, lose heat rapidly, and need to go into 
torpor overnight even in comparatively mild conditions to conserve energy).



In any case, don’t sell birds short, provided they have adequate good-quality 
food. (The question in my mind, aside from availability of small fruits and 
such, is whether or not they are an adequate substitute for higher-quality 
insect protein in severe cold, versus in milder traditional overwintering 
sites.)



Rick



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To: Orhan Birol
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Subject: Re: [nysbirds-l] Cassins/Couches survival chances?



My memory of Tyrannus biology is that all members of the genus become mostly or 
partly frugivorous during winter, and simply supplement their diet with insects 
when available. So, their survival in NYC may depend more on the availability 
of small fruits, for which they are competing with the many Robins and 
Starlings, than on the availability of insects.

Hugh



On Wed, Jan 7, 2015 at 10:40 PM, Orhan Birol 
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wrote:

On Sunday I observed both.

The Cassins was flycatching nonstop for the 10 minutes I was there.

I think the row of low evergreens(boxwood?) on the west side of the community 
gardens and plenty of shelter in the gardens, may protect it from the cold.

The Couches also has enough shelter in enclosed gardens, structures etc. The 10 
minutes I was there, it called nonstop but never fed.

I have no idea if the insects both feed on will survive tonight.

Any thoughts?

Orhan Birol

Shelter Island

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