Unless someone has some science to add, we should probably move on. Bob Grover
From: bounce-118684178-3714...@list.cornell.edu [mailto:bounce-118684178-3714...@list.cornell.edu] On Behalf Of Linda Orkin Sent: Thursday, January 08, 2015 11:13 AM To: Justin Lawson Cc: Will Raup; NYSBIRDS-L Subject: Re: [nysbirds-l] Cassins/Couches survival chances? Suffering is suffering, compassion is compassion. Linda Orkin Ithaca, NY On Thu, Jan 8, 2015 at 11:09 AM, Justin Lawson <justindlaw...@gmail.com<mailto:justindlaw...@gmail.com>> wrote: Hope we aren't comparing a bird's life to a human life. On Thursday, January 8, 2015, Linda Orkin <wingmagi...@gmail.com<mailto:wingmagi...@gmail.com>> wrote: It doesn't hurt to help beings in trouble if it is possible to do. Wouldn't you want the same done for you? Linda Orkin Ithaca, NY On Thu, Jan 8, 2015 at 11:04 AM, Will Raup <hoaryredp...@hotmail.com<mailto:hoaryredp...@hotmail.com>> wrote: Why should we get involved at all? They are vagrants, moved out of their normal range for whatever reason. They will either survive and return home, or they won't. That's the way nature works. I think we should stand back and let nature take its course and not get directly involved. Will Raup Glenmont, NY ________________________________ Date: Thu, 8 Jan 2015 10:25:22 -0500 Subject: Re: [nysbirds-l] Cassins/Couches survival chances? From: peter.co...@gmail.com<mailto:peter.co...@gmail.com> To: rc...@nyc.rr.com<mailto:rc...@nyc.rr.com> CC: hdmcguinn...@gmail.com<mailto:hdmcguinn...@gmail.com>; orhanbir...@gmail.com<mailto:orhanbir...@gmail.com>; NYSBIRDS-L@cornell.edu<mailto:NYSBIRDS-L@cornell.edu> Good discussion, Here is a Dusky-capped Flycatcher eating fruit/vegetables in the warm climate of El Salvador, but I also suspect the 2 kingbirds could use some good bugs in this weather. Perhaps it would be good too make an arrangement with a rehabber in case of emergency. Birds get sick fast. From one who lived with birds, Peter On Thu, Jan 8, 2015 at 7:47 AM, Rick <rc...@nyc.rr.com<mailto:rc...@nyc.rr.com>> wrote: True, and don’t forget the somewhat similar overwinter survival of the Rufous Hummingbird outside the American Museum of Natural History a few years back; the last posting I’m aware of for that bird was 3/11/2012. 2011-12 was a mild winter, admittedly, but hummers are hardly a model of cold tolerance (they lack down feathers, lose heat rapidly, and need to go into torpor overnight even in comparatively mild conditions to conserve energy). In any case, don’t sell birds short, provided they have adequate good-quality food. (The question in my mind, aside from availability of small fruits and such, is whether or not they are an adequate substitute for higher-quality insect protein in severe cold, versus in milder traditional overwintering sites.) Rick From: bounce-118683374-3714...@list.cornell.edu<mailto:bounce-118683374-3714...@list.cornell.edu> [mailto:bounce-118683374-3714...@list.cornell.edu] On Behalf Of Hugh McGuinness Sent: Thursday, January 08, 2015 7:18 AM To: Orhan Birol Cc: NYSBIRDS-L Subject: Re: [nysbirds-l] Cassins/Couches survival chances? My memory of Tyrannus biology is that all members of the genus become mostly or partly frugivorous during winter, and simply supplement their diet with insects when available. So, their survival in NYC may depend more on the availability of small fruits, for which they are competing with the many Robins and Starlings, than on the availability of insects. Hugh On Wed, Jan 7, 2015 at 10:40 PM, Orhan Birol <orhanbir...@gmail.com<mailto:orhanbir...@gmail.com>> wrote: On Sunday I observed both. The Cassins was flycatching nonstop for the 10 minutes I was there. I think the row of low evergreens(boxwood?) on the west side of the community gardens and plenty of shelter in the gardens, may protect it from the cold. The Couches also has enough shelter in enclosed gardens, structures etc. The 10 minutes I was there, it called nonstop but never fed. I have no idea if the insects both feed on will survive tonight. Any thoughts? 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