I agree that we should support the organizations to get things changed. The fact remains that this is a National Recreation Area run by the National Park Service and it’s supposed to be accessible to the public, not just to one interest group.
> On Feb 3, 2022, at 8:46 PM, Anne Lazarus <amlazaru...@gmail.com> wrote: > > > We should support Audubon, Linnaean etc in their process to change the permit > parameters. It is not all that easy to buy a fishing permit, so I have been > told. I had considered buying one. I would like to know how our supportive > organizations are working on this problem. We do pay taxes. I live in > Manhattan. Some of us are nervous to ride bicycles in the street with all the > traffic. I am told we need to wait until April for the new permit process. I > am glad the issue is being brought to a head. > >> On Thu, Feb 3, 2022 at 8:23 PM Ardith Bondi <ard...@earthlink.net> wrote: >> But, isn’t the permit for fishermen only, or is there a permit for birders? >> >> Ardith >> NYC >> www.ardithbondi.com >> >> Sent from my iPhone >> >>>> On Feb 3, 2022, at 7:35 PM, Dawn Hannay <dawn...@gmail.com> wrote: >>>> >>> I looked into it a little more, and one problem is that even though I’m >>> willing to buy a permit, there is no plan nor projected date for when they >>> will start selling the 2022 permit, even though the permit season starts >>> February 1. The only people who can park legally in the meantime are >>> existing 2021 permit holders. It seems unjust that one can only park with a >>> valid permit, which is not available for purchase at this time. >>> Dawn >>> >>> Sent from my iPhone >>> >>>>> On Feb 3, 2022, at 6:57 PM, Jennifer Wilson-Pines <jwpi...@gmail.com> >>>>> wrote: >>>>> >>>> >>>> I know that there is a discussion with State parks to create a birders >>>> permit, perhaps that can also be proposed if they don't want to have >>>> general public using limited parking >>>> >>>> Jennifer >>>> >>>>> On Thu, Feb 3, 2022 at 6:12 PM Stanley Greenberg >>>>> <greenbergph...@gmail.com> wrote: >>>>> This is part of Gateway National Recreation Area, it should be accessible >>>>> to all. It's not like there's a bus that goes there either. I bike there >>>>> sometimes but I realize that's not an option for everyone. I know some >>>>> birding groups are working on this but it never hurts to write to Gateway >>>>> management and the local Congressperson, Gergory Meeks. It's absurd that >>>>> people who take (fish) are given a higher priority than people who watch >>>>> (birds). >>>>> >>>>> >>>>>> On Thu, Feb 3, 2022 at 5:34 PM Trachlar <trach...@gmail.com> wrote: >>>>>> Or don’t bird where certain folks don’t want certain other folks and my >>>>>> guess is it’s not the birders they don’t want (primarily). >>>>>> >>>>>> L. Trachtenberg >>>>>> Ossining NY >>>>>> >>>>>> Sent from my iPhone >>>>>> >>>>>>>> On Feb 3, 2022, at 5:27 PM, Anne Lazarus <amlazaru...@gmail.com> wrote: >>>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>>> Gordon just got back to me. Yes, they changed the rules this year, and >>>>>>> you need the permit. Audubon, Linnaean and other groups are fighting >>>>>>> this unjust regulation. Gordon doubts the new rule can be changed this >>>>>>> season. It also applies to the fisherman`s lot at the hotel area, part >>>>>>> of Fort Tilden. If there is any action to be taken, we will know about >>>>>>> it from the organizations representing us. I know. It is not right. It >>>>>>> is also about money. The fishermen they say are complaining they have >>>>>>> no parking space. From my experience that is not true. There are always >>>>>>> lots of empty spots. I was planning to go, but we cannot. >>>>>>> >>>>>>> Maybe one member of the group can drop the others off and then if >>>>>>> another driver in the car. The original driver comes back, and the >>>>>>> second driver gives the first driver a little time on the beach. The >>>>>>> rest can go back to the main area, and then later pick up the original >>>>>>> driver., complicated, but possible, Bird different areas and take turns. >>>>>>> >>>>>>>> On Thu, Feb 3, 2022 at 5:14 PM Deborah Shapiro <dsni...@gmail.com> >>>>>>>> wrote: >>>>>>>> Where is there parking for handicapped hang tags? >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> On Feb 3, 2022, at 5:04 PM, Robert O'Neill <rjoneill...@gmail.com> >>>>>>>>>> wrote: >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> Parking there is legal only with a fisherman’s permit. Without the >>>>>>>>> permit you can be towed. >>>>>>>>> Bob O’Neill >>>>>>>>>> On Thu, Feb 3, 2022 at 3:52 PM Anne Lazarus <amlazaru...@gmail.com> >>>>>>>>>> wrote: >>>>>>>>>> I will ask Gordon Lam. Probably not a problem >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> Sent from my iPhone >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> > On Feb 3, 2022, at 1:55 PM, Dawn Hannay <dawn...@gmail.com> wrote: >>>>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>>>> > Can anyone tell me what the situation is now for parking at >>>>>>>>>> > Breezy Point? We used to park at the fishermen’s lot which was >>>>>>>>>> > legal in winter, but I seem to remember some change in that >>>>>>>>>> > policy. >>>>>>>>>> > Thank you, >>>>>>>>>> > Dawn Hannay >>>>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>>>> > Sent from my iPhone >>>>>>>>>> > -- >>>>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>>>> > NYSbirds-L List Info: >>>>>>>>>> > http://www.NortheastBirding.com/NYSbirdsWELCOME.htm >>>>>>>>>> > http://www.NortheastBirding.com/NYSbirdsRULES.htm >>>>>>>>>> > http://www.NortheastBirding.com/NYSbirdsSubscribeConfigurationLeave.htm >>>>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>>>> > ARCHIVES: >>>>>>>>>> > 1) http://www.mail-archive.com/nysbirds-l@cornell.edu/maillist.html >>>>>>>>>> > 2) http://www.surfbirds.com/birdingmail/Group/NYSBirds-L >>>>>>>>>> > 3) http://birding.aba.org/maillist/NY01 >>>>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>>>> > Please submit your observations to eBird: >>>>>>>>>> > http://ebird.org/content/ebird/ >>>>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>>>> > -- >>>>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> -- >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> NYSbirds-L List Info: >>>>>>>>>> http://www.NortheastBirding.com/NYSbirdsWELCOME.htm >>>>>>>>>> http://www.NortheastBirding.com/NYSbirdsRULES.htm >>>>>>>>>> http://www.NortheastBirding.com/NYSbirdsSubscribeConfigurationLeave.htm >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> ARCHIVES: >>>>>>>>>> 1) http://www.mail-archive.com/nysbirds-l@cornell.edu/maillist.html >>>>>>>>>> 2) http://www.surfbirds.com/birdingmail/Group/NYSBirds-L >>>>>>>>>> 3) http://birding.aba.org/maillist/NY01 >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> Please submit your observations to eBird: >>>>>>>>>> http://ebird.org/content/ebird/ >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> -- >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> -- >>>>>>>>> NYSbirds-L List Info: >>>>>>>>> Welcome and Basics >>>>>>>>> Rules and Information >>>>>>>>> Subscribe, Configuration and Leave >>>>>>>>> Archives: >>>>>>>>> The Mail Archive >>>>>>>>> Surfbirds >>>>>>>>> ABA >>>>>>>>> Please submit your observations to eBird! >>>>>>>>> -- >>>>>>> >>>>>>> -- >>>>>>> NYSbirds-L List Info: >>>>>>> Welcome and Basics >>>>>>> Rules and Information >>>>>>> Subscribe, Configuration and Leave >>>>>>> Archives: >>>>>>> The Mail Archive >>>>>>> Surfbirds >>>>>>> ABA >>>>>>> Please submit your observations to eBird! >>>>>>> -- >>>>>> >>>>>> -- >>>>>> NYSbirds-L List Info: >>>>>> Welcome and Basics >>>>>> Rules and Information >>>>>> Subscribe, Configuration and Leave >>>>>> Archives: >>>>>> The Mail Archive >>>>>> Surfbirds >>>>>> ABA >>>>>> Please submit your observations to eBird! >>>>>> -- >>>>> >>>>> -- >>>>> NYSbirds-L List Info: >>>>> Welcome and Basics >>>>> Rules and Information >>>>> Subscribe, Configuration and Leave >>>>> Archives: >>>>> The Mail Archive >>>>> Surfbirds >>>>> ABA >>>>> Please submit your observations to eBird! >>>>> -- >>>> >>>> >>>> -- >>>> Jennifer Wilson-Pines >>> >>> -- >>> NYSbirds-L List Info: >>> Welcome and Basics >>> Rules and Information >>> Subscribe, Configuration and Leave >>> Archives: >>> The Mail Archive >>> Surfbirds >>> ABA >>> Please submit your observations to eBird! >>> -- -- NYSbirds-L List Info: http://www.NortheastBirding.com/NYSbirdsWELCOME.htm http://www.NortheastBirding.com/NYSbirdsRULES.htm http://www.NortheastBirding.com/NYSbirdsSubscribeConfigurationLeave.htm ARCHIVES: 1) http://www.mail-archive.com/nysbirds-l@cornell.edu/maillist.html 2) http://www.surfbirds.com/birdingmail/Group/NYSBirds-L 3) http://birding.aba.org/maillist/NY01 Please submit your observations to eBird: http://ebird.org/content/ebird/ --