Simon Phipps wrote: > > On May 11, 2009, at 17:01, Garrett D'Amore wrote: > >> Bounced messages are *painful* to anyone who has to endure them. I >> can't tell you how many times I've been faced with a choice to either >> >> a) figure out which address I can actually send from, or >> b) just give up and decide that the reply I was sending only needed >> to go to the sender, or >> c) ask someone who is a member of the list to forward the message >> to me >> >> Right now this problem is a serious impediment to collaboration. As >> such, the laissez faire approach that it sounds like you and Alan are >> using here is, IMO, harmful. >> >> Remember, many list owners are not "experienced" mailing list >> administrators, and as such, the pitfalls of this configuration may >> not be readily apparent. >> >> At a minimum, I think there should be a recommendation made to list >> owners against this configuration. > > Hey Garrett, > > The problem is that we may not all share your opinion here. > Personally I prefer auto-reject since it saves me having to go to > MailMan and delete the first attempt when I repost. I would prefer > /all/ lists to go over to auto-reject as I think it's more efficient, > both for the genuine member (who knows to immediately retry and > doesn't have to go to MailMan to cancel the first attempt) and the > community leader (who doesn't have to waste a bunch of time each day > reading spam & troll messages looking for the genuine posts).
I'm not sure I understand what you mean by repost. I know that when my messages bounce, I often just give up. Its simply too troublesome to try to make this work. Part of the reason is that I'm often not a member of the list I want to post to. (Or, in my case, I can't recall which of my aliases is a legitimate sender address.) I should probably go and clean up all my list memberships, and just make them use the @opensolaris.org format. But the mailman interface makes it painful to do that in bulk as a regular subscriber -- each list has its own automatically generated password. > > I don't want to force my view on you, though. I think the whole thing > is broken and no amount of rule making in any direction will help. > Until membership of OpenSolaris is sufficient to allow any member to > post to any list, the alternatives are both unwanted. I agree that a simple configuration that allowed anyone who was a member of OpenSolaris.org to post would be useful. But also, this does create a barrier to entry, albeit a low one, to newbies who might want to ask a question or raise an issue. Anyway, I've blogged about this on http://gdamore.blogspot.com/ -- just raising the issue to the attention of the community. I'll cease complaining about it here, since it seems I'm the only one that is bothered by this. -- Garrett
