Le 30 sept. 08 ? 16:32, Jim Grisanzio a ?crit : > Nicolas Dorfsman wrote: >> I have some comments : >> - "Electorate" and OpenSolaris member : who would be granted to >> this "collective" ? I really don't understand this part ? No link >> with the overall community participation ? Really confusing. >> > > The Electorate collective is just a group to hold the Membership. > It's sort of a back end thing. On the site, you'll see Projects, > Communities, and User Groups. If people want to become Members of > the community, they can go through the Membership process > http://www.genunix.org/wiki/index.php/OGB_2008/010_membership
ok. Pretty clear now. >> - User groups : no "contributors" ? I think we need something >> between participant and leader. >> - User Groups (again) : there is at least two ugs which are more >> than just geographic groups. We are, and are proud of, language- >> centric, as well as spanish group. >> > > That's fine. But the vast majority of UGs are based on a specific > geography and they meet locally. If a UG has a strong association to > a specific language that cuts across many geographies, then those > guys can also participate in the country/language communities > (currently the "portals") that will lead in the translations of > content on the site. That's already the case, actually, where some > portals are home to some UGs. Sure...my issue is on /definition/ of ug as seen on slides. >> - User Groups (again and again) : I believe we'd need some >> federating thing. The language-centric identity is a >> exemple...opposite to this, I'm sure we could find benefit by >> federating all europeans ug, american, ... and so on. >> > > As a means of identifying themselves? It's an interesting idea, but > isn't that obvious? And it could get confusing, too. For instance, > would Beijing be part of the Chinese identity or part of the Asian > identity as you have it characterized? I was thinking about some not mandatory thing, but some sort of...I don't know exactly actualy, something which motivate UGs to meet themselves or at least to communicate more than now. >> - User Groups (again, again and again) : We need power ! I >> mean...how many osug in the world aren't Sun-people centric ? >> Would you like to have more external people/companies taking part >> of UGs ? Give us more power on OGB decisions, it could be seen as >> power on OpenSolaris evolution. >> > > The OSUGs will have significantly more visibility under the new > system -- and visibility is critically important to growth. I have > been arguing for over a year that the UGs should be removed from the > Advocacy CG and be on their own as equals to Projects and > Communities with top level billing on the site. And there is clear > agreement on this. In fact, the thinking that has gone into that > specific problem has influenced the entire simplification/reorg we > are doing. We have substantially flattened the community structure > as a result http://www.genunix.org/wiki/index.php/OGB_2008/010. So, > look for the new structure to help UGs a lot. :) > > If UGs want more of a voice in governance issues, it's easy. Those > who participate in UGs can become Members of the community and vote > and run for office (which they can do now). I don't think the UGs > have a governance issue, though. We simply have to grow more uses > and share more and get together more, that's all. As the community > engages more users with the distributions, then more groups will > form as a result. And Sun can help this process too, such as a few > months ago when we sent out shirts, and mugs, and hats, and dvds, > etc. We'd like to do this again at some point to encourage UGs to > form and be active ... I didn't try to say we have any sort of frustration concerning governance. I'm looking for arguments to give to individuals or companies when they ask us what could be their benefit to involve themselve in our UG(s). You want to influence decision around OpenSolaris ? Ok...apply for our UGs, we do have a seat in the OGB, so we could bring your voice to the Board. You'll probably see this as pure marketting, but I believe we need something like that to convince. Nicolas 01010101 01001110 01001001 01011000 Nicolas Dorfsman ndo at unikservice.com / ndo at guses.org Phone: +33 6 7981 4486 Skype: ndorfsman http://www.guses.org - French Speaking (Open)Solaris User Group http://www.solaris-fr.org - French OpenSolaris Wiki
