I myself should be getting (again, more) re-engaged in the build/update process 
for PostgreSQL…

I’ll wake up shortly.

Lou

> On Apr 18, 2021, at 6:07 AM, Andreas Wacknitz <a.wackn...@gmx.de> wrote:
> 
> Am 18.04.21 um 02:37 schrieb Austin Kim:
>> On Apr 17, 2021, at 7:22 PM, Till Wegmueller <toaster...@gmail.com> wrote:
>>> Hi Gary
>>> 
>>> I use Postgres and extensions for all Applications I develop professionally 
>>> and privately.
>>> 
>>> We use mostly 12 and upwards 13 being the standard and I am waiting for 14 
>>> to hit. The last Bugfix release for 9.5 was on 2021-02-11 so quite recently.
>>> 
>>> I would love to have 13 and modern 12 packaged, especially as we have a 
>>> build server for them sponsored by the Oi community. So we know it builds 
>>> even on current develop.
>>> 
>>> My preference for the record is to have 13, 12 and 11. Older ones should 
>>> only be used for people still needing them. AWS only offers those in their 
>>> offerings as well, so not many people will want 10 or older.
>>> 
>>> -Till
>>> 
>>> On 17.04.21 18:46, Gary Mills wrote:
>>>> OI currently has postgresql versions: 95 96 10 11 12 .  The OI
>>>> default, in shared-macros.mk, is 95 .  However, the postgresql
>>>> developers report that 95 is unsupported, but 13 is available and
>>>> supported.  Something has to change in OI to move forward with
>>>> postgresql.
>>>> Here are some actions that could be taken with OI.  We could change
>>>> the default version to 10.  I, myself, would prefer 11.  We could
>>>> obsolete 95.  I'd prefer obsoleting 95 and 96.  We could add version
>>>> 13, but only after 96 is obsoleted.  We should limit the number of
>>>> postgresql versions in OI, after all.  Finally, we could make no
>>>> obsoletions or additions, retaining even the unsupported 95.  Which
>>>> would you prefer?
>>>> I have not investigated two questions.  Perhaps you can tell me?  What
>>>> are the consequences of obsoleting 95?  What are the consequences of
>>>> the default change?
>> Hi,
>> 
>> Sorry for posting to this list as I’m only an OpenIndiana user, not a 
>> developer, but PostgreSQL is the DB I use most.
> This is perfectly fine.
> I just want to chime in here and say: You don't need to be a developer
> in order to get involved in OpenIndiana!
> Of course it is helpful to know some programming languages and build
> systems. But many for aspects you don't need to be a professional
> programmer.
> 
> At the moment we lack volunteers in almost all areas, even those not
> related to updating packages. Eg. we need people to enhance or update
> our documentation,
> we need testers and of course people who care for some packages.
> 
> Nobody started as an expert in any of these areas. I am willing to help
> people to get involved, eg. we can have video conferences where I can
> demonstrate and teach how to update packages.
> 
> Of course you need to devote some resources (time, build or test
> environment, ...). I can assure you that you will learn a lot about
> OpenIndiana, Solaris and other operating systems.
> And you will see some insanity related to software development,
> especially open source software development where projects make heavy
> changes (like change the build system) in minor or even micro releases.
> 
> Andreas
> 
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