It's called delegation Rob, and it's done all the time within the ASF. The PPMC can delegate ALL
management/oversight aspects to whomever is on the PPMC that is also involved with the forums. So long as 1 person on the PPMC is watching over the activity, and anything noteworthy gets passed along to the board via PPMC reports, it's a perfectly humane way of conducting yourselves. >________________________________ >From: Rob Weir <robw...@apache.org> >To: ooo-dev@incubator.apache.org >Sent: Tuesday, September 6, 2011 9:27 AM >Subject: Re: [RT] Create a second incubator podling - the ooo forums > >On Tue, Sep 6, 2011 at 9:13 AM, Joe Schaefer <joe_schae...@yahoo.com> wrote: >> Up until a few days ago I thought we had one. >> Move the forums over to the ASF, give the PPMC >> and ASF members the full ability (upon request) >> to oversee allcommunications within the forums, >> and life goeson. I see no need for the Volunteers >> to join the PPMC or anything like that, just keep >> doing whatever you're doing and keep the PPMC abreast >> of anything report-worthy when they need to report >> to the board. If the Volunteers want to incorporate >> some Apache-style voting processes into their ops, >> go for it! >> >> > >And if I wanted to create a group called the "Calc developer >volunteers", could we join the project, with the understanding the >rest of the project would leave us alone? We would vote in our own >committers, etc,. independently of the normal PMC process. We would >conduct our business on restricted-access mailing lists, not visible >to the public. But on request we'd allow PMC members to join these >lists. > >Ignore for a second the IP implications. That is really a red >herring. The point is meritocracy, decision making and PMC oversight. >Think of similar analogies with non-release aspects of the project, >like web site design, documentation, wikis, etc. > >Where else does Apache have a meritocracy embedded in a project that >does not commune with the PMC? In an ideal world, where everything >just worked, and there were never any disagreements or disputes, then >this might work. But in that world we wouldn't need a PMC or an ASF >Board either. In any case, we don't live in such a world. > >It is bizarre, but I hear people advocating for community >fragmentation in the name of community unity. Having two parallel >meritocracies within the same project is fragmentation. I don't see >how we can call it anything else. > >-Rob > >> >> >>>________________________________ >>>From: Rory O'Farrell <ofarr...@iol.ie> >>>To: ooo-dev@incubator.apache.org >>>Sent: Tuesday, September 6, 2011 9:08 AM >>>Subject: Re: [RT] Create a second incubator podling - the ooo forums >>> >>>On Tue, 6 Sep 2011 05:49:09 -0700 (PDT) >>>Joe Schaefer <joe_schae...@yahoo.com> wrote: >>> >>><snip> >>>> So to answer your questions, yes it certainly could be done >>>> within the Apache structure. No it probably cannot be done >>>> to host stuff here on behalf of some third party. >>> >>>Thanks, that is helpful in clarifying options. >>> >>>So to be hosted on Apache one would need to find some mechanism whereby a >>>forum would fit into Apache; by your earlier post you do not think there is >>>such a mechanism. Might Apache be prepared to modify (by extension) their >>>structures to accomodate these? This becomes a problem for the legal >>>draughtsmen, of course. The old rule of £minimal change" ought apply. >>> >>>I'm not asking for a change, just exploring the possibility of one. >>> >>>-- >>>Rory O'Farrell <ofarr...@iol.ie> >>> >>> >>> > > >
