On Thu, Oct 20, 2011 at 12:23 PM, Dennis E. Hamilton <[email protected]> wrote: > The moderator-issued subscription e-mail seems useful, especially because it > is done as an opt-in (requiring confirmation from the recipient). If the list > to be retired was informed of this process, its near-automatic operation could > be considered. >
I don't see how this could work. Maybe if you happen to be a moderator of the legacy list and are willing to take on yourself any personal liability related to data protection laws. But I don't see how this would work in general. Any thing we do to automate this would still require proactive action by the user, either sending an email, clicking a mailto: link in an email, or going to a website and entering their email address. They would need to do an action like that, and then respond to the confirmation email. > - Dennis > > THINKING OUT LOUD > > With regard to the messages from ezmlm, I wonder if these are ones that are > customizable by list. I thought they were. A valuable way to do this might > be to include a link to an English-language version of the message in all NL > ones. Pointing to other useful web pages might also be valuable. I notice > that ezmlm is designed to work relying on e-mail alone and that should be > preserved, but links to web-based support is also valuable and is very useful > to link to. The web page could also deal with thing such as what OOo lists > does this one replace, where are the archives for the original list(s), etc. > > OPEN ITEMS > > It strikes me that there remains the issue I see, in that the ooo-younameit @ > i.a.o lists are considerably less friendly than the theynamedit@ OO.o lists. > > -----Original Message----- > From: Rob Weir [mailto:[email protected]] > Sent: Thursday, October 20, 2011 07:57 > To: [email protected] > Subject: Re: [Proposal] Shutting down legacy OOo mailing lists > > On Wed, Oct 19, 2011 at 4:11 PM, Andrea Pescetti > <[email protected]> wrote: > <snip> > >> I would turn the post you describe into a warning that the mailing list >> address will change, including all information about Apache but not >> requiring users to take action. I volunteer to consolidate the 12 lists into >> 3 and to subscribe users to the right ones (of course, being "project owner" >> of it.openoffice.org, I have a list of all subscribers to the 12 lists). >> > > I did an experiment on how we can subscribe users to the mailing list > automatically. I looked just at the technical aspect of this. I did > not look at the legal or policy implications. > > Moderators of Apache lists can subscribe new users to the list, by > sending a specially addressed email to the list manager. For example, > to subscribe [email protected] to this list, you would send an email to: > > [email protected] > > Note the @ in the address is replaced by an = > > A moderator can do the above, but this still will generate a > confirmation email, to [email protected], in English: > > > ----------------- > > "Subject: confirm subscribe to [email protected] > > Hi! This is the ezmlm program. I'm managing the > [email protected] mailing list. > > I'm working for my owner, who can be reached > at [email protected]. > > To confirm that you would like > > [email protected] > > added to the ooo-dev mailing list, please send > a short reply to this address: > > [email protected] > > Usually, this happens when you just hit the "reply" button. > If this does not work, simply copy the address and paste it into > the "To:" field of a new message. > > or click here: > > mailto:[email protected]"; > ----------------- > > So with the moderator rights available to us now, we can't do a fully > automated sign up of existing list members, even if we had resolved > the legal and policy issues. I don't know if there are other, > administrative functions in ezmlm that could be used, by Apache Infra, > to more fully automate this. > > -Rob >
