On 10/20/2011 03:22 PM, Dave Fisher wrote:
On Oct 20, 2011, at 2:44 PM, Andrew Rist wrote:
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My guess here is that it is highly unlikely that lists of users or
the forwarding map will be made available. The best approach for
contacting these users is to send messages to the various ML.
Also, there is no imminent shutdown of the ML infrastructure or any
of the other infrastructure hosted on Kenai (including the hg&
svn). The hosting for the forums and wiki is going away, and we
need to look at doing the cut-over.
Thanks for the clarification. It really helps. Are there other
services that will go away when the forums and mediawiki do?
Regards, Dave
...and, what's the drop-dead date for these? actually I guess
anything at
xxxx.services.openoffice.org
Andrew
-----Original Message----- From: Rob Weir
[mailto:[email protected]] Sent: Thursday, October 20, 2011
09:29 To: [email protected] Subject: Re: [Proposal]
Shutting down legacy OOo mailing lists
On Thu, Oct 20, 2011 at 12:23 PM, Dennis E. Hamilton
<[email protected]> wrote:
The moderator-issued subscription e-mail seems useful,
especially because it is done as an opt-in (requiring
confirmation from the recipient). If the list to be retired
was informed of this process, its near-automatic operation
could be considered.
I don't see how this could work. Maybe if you happen to be a
moderator of the legacy list and are willing to take on yourself
any personal liability related to data protection laws. But I
don't see how this would work in general. Any thing we do to
automate this would still require proactive action by the user,
either sending an email, clicking a mailto: link in an email, or
going to a website and entering their email address. They would
need to do an action like that, and then respond to the
confirmation email.
- Dennis
THINKING OUT LOUD
With regard to the messages from ezmlm, I wonder if these are
ones that are customizable by list. I thought they were. A
valuable way to do this might be to include a link to an
English-language version of the message in all NL ones.
Pointing to other useful web pages might also be valuable. I
notice that ezmlm is designed to work relying on e-mail alone
and that should be preserved, but links to web-based support is
also valuable and is very useful to link to. The web page
could also deal with thing such as what OOo lists does this one
replace, where are the archives for the original list(s), etc.
OPEN ITEMS
It strikes me that there remains the issue I see, in that the
ooo-younameit @ i.a.o lists are considerably less friendly than
the theynamedit@ OO.o lists.
-----Original Message----- From: Rob Weir
[mailto:[email protected]] Sent: Thursday, October 20, 2011
07:57 To: [email protected] Subject: Re: [Proposal]
Shutting down legacy OOo mailing lists
On Wed, Oct 19, 2011 at 4:11 PM, Andrea Pescetti
<[email protected]> wrote: <snip>
I would turn the post you describe into a warning that the
mailing list address will change, including all information
about Apache but not requiring users to take action. I
volunteer to consolidate the 12 lists into 3 and to subscribe
users to the right ones (of course, being "project owner" of
it.openoffice.org, I have a list of all subscribers to the 12
lists).
I did an experiment on how we can subscribe users to the
mailing list automatically. I looked just at the technical
aspect of this. I did not look at the legal or policy
implications.
Moderators of Apache lists can subscribe new users to the list,
by sending a specially addressed email to the list manager.
For example, to subscribe [email protected] to this list, you would
send an email to:
[email protected]
Note the @ in the address is replaced by an =
A moderator can do the above, but this still will generate a
confirmation email, to [email protected], in English:
-----------------
"Subject: confirm subscribe to [email protected]
Hi! This is the ezmlm program. I'm managing the
[email protected] mailing list.
I'm working for my owner, who can be reached at
[email protected].
To confirm that you would like
[email protected]
added to the ooo-dev mailing list, please send a short reply to
this address:
[email protected]
Usually, this happens when you just hit the "reply" button. If
this does not work, simply copy the address and paste it into
the "To:" field of a new message.
or click here:
mailto:[email protected]";
-----------------
So with the moderator rights available to us now, we can't do a
fully automated sign up of existing list members, even if we
had resolved the legal and policy issues. I don't know if
there are other, administrative functions in ezmlm that could
be used, by Apache Infra, to more fully automate this.
-Rob
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