On Fri, Oct 21, 2011 at 6:53 PM, Kay Schenk <kay.sch...@gmail.com> wrote: > > > On 10/20/2011 04:04 PM, Marcus (OOo) wrote: >> >> Am 10/20/2011 09:04 PM, schrieb Rob Weir: >>> >>> Proposal: >>> >>> 1) Create a single user-language list for each native language where >>> there is an active user list today, and where we can identify three >>> committed moderators, preferably at least one from the PMC. >> >> Before this I would ask on all language-respective MLs if someone is >> still at home and would like to come over to ASF; also because the OOo >> MLs will be shutdown in x days. Even when the most requests will be in >> English (as we cannot translate the text into all languages) we should >> get feedback. So, as more people will respond it will justify a new ML. >> >>> If there is currently a discuss list as well as a user list in that >>> language, combine then into the user list. >>> >>> Currently, that would mean the creation of the following new lists >>> (assuming we find moderators), like: >>> >>> ooo-users-de (German) >>> ooo-users-fr (French) >>> ooo-users-it (Italian) >>> ooo-users-es (Spanish) >>> ooo-users-br-pt (Brazilian Portuguese) (or can we generalize this to >>> pt in general?) >> >> Yes, lets start with a common ML. >> >>> ooo-nl (Dutch) >>> ooo-ja (Japanese) >> >> Do you mean a different one as we have already a "ja" one? > > This looks fine but is there some way we can keep the naming convention the > consistent for all -- i.e. ooo-"lang" vs. ooo-users-"lang". > > I think it would make things easier in the long run. >
So these are user lists. Will we want language-specific translation and localization lists at some point? That is why I thought it would make sense to have "user" in the name. So then in the future we can have, e..g., ooo-translate-de, etc., if needed. -Rob >> >>> There may be other language we want to cover as well. The list >>> above is intended to illustrative, not exclusive. The important thing >>> is that when dealing with users, we need to meet them on their terms, >>> not ours. The request for at least three moderators is because a user >>> list needs more than just spam protection. We need moderators >>> committed to actively participate on those lists. A user list that >>> has been abandoned is very bad for the image of the project. Since >>> the PPMC cannot easily monitor what is happening on a non-English >>> mailing list, we will need to have high confidence that there are >>> sufficient volunteers on the list to make it succeed. >> >> IMHO we should still wait for a number of users and interested people of >> a specific language. Otherwise we have some MLs but no people. >> >> For example, many weeks ago I've seen a request to create a German ML >> but after that no more support and therefor the request is dead. >> However, until today I don't see sorrow about this. >> >>> 2) For project-related (as opposed to user-related) lists, align them >>> with the closest existing AOOo list. >>> >>> For example: >>> >>> de.business --> ooo-marketing >>> nl.marketing --> ooo-marketing >>> fr.dev --> ooo-dev >>> >>> and so on. We're a single Apache project with a single product. >>> Although there may be local marketing efforts, there should be a >>> single marketing conversation. Ditto for other aspects of the >>> project. >>> >>> The net result will be take 300+ existing OOo mailing lists and map >>> them to a much smaller number of AOOo mailing lists, maybe a dozen >>> total in the end. This will require understanding and good will from >>> all. Non-native English speakers and native speakers will need to >>> adjust how they interact, and in general be more understanding. >>> >>> So that's my proposal. I have my asbestos underwear on. Feel free to >>> start the flaming, >> >> Ahm, you know that asbestos is cancer-causing? I would recomment to >> change to Teflon-coated underwear (should be comfortable up to 327 °C >> resp. 620 °F). Otherwise cancer is not far away. :-P >> >> SCNR >> >> Marcus > > -- > ------------------------------------------------------------------------ > MzK > > "There is no such thing as coincidence." > -- Leroy Jethro Gibbs, Rule #39 >
