+1 I agree that the PayPal and other specific donation pages on http:// *.openoffice.org properties must be removed. Likewise the Team Office one. It is already established that these are inappropriate under Apache governance. I believe it is appropriate to have a page that indicates there are many ways to provide supporting donations, specifies where to donate to ASF, and may list others with a disclaimer that the contributor should satisfy themselves as to the purposes of other listed sites and that ASF has no liability whatsoever in providing links to them.
With regard to uniqueness of the pages between the various NLs, I lean toward that while also wanting the NL groups to be able to express their individuality. Having them be essentially similar in the main content, but translated into the NL, is valuable in many respects. It allows a non-NL-fluent person to figure out what the buttons and menu items are by knowing what they are on pages that are understood -- not unlike trouble-shooting an NL install for someone who doesn't know that language. Having bi-lingual information on the pages can be useful too.) If the pages are similar enough, having a flag-banner or other strip for choosing between languages is also useful, reducing the amount of searching that has to be done in an unfamiliar language. - Dennis -1 OK, back to the thread. I gave examples and wanted a way to report more in some systematic fashion so they could be handled systematically. Instead, there is processing in the e-mail. I wanted to avoid that (and here I am, doing it also). Wiki is not my favorite choice, because nothing keeps my eye on it and I have to mess around subscribing to individual pages and dealing with wikiText editing. I think I'll try bugzilla, even though there may be considerable discussion on some topics, such as the PayPal and Donation discussion here. -----Original Message----- From: Jürgen Schmidt [mailto:jogischm...@googlemail.com] Sent: Monday, October 31, 2011 10:19 To: ooo-dev@incubator.apache.org Subject: Re: Staging OOo Site: Bugs and Improvements On 10/31/11 5:55 AM, Dave Fisher wrote: > > On Oct 30, 2011, at 9:37 PM, Dennis E. Hamilton wrote: [ ... ] >> 4. This page, for Downloads, linked from the ES home page, has a PayPal >> button and solicits $25 donations for downloads:< >> http://ooo-site.apache.org/es/programa/index.html>. The solicitations are >> for the "oooES" PayPal account. > > Yes, I've flagged that as well - Alexandro should be able to explain oooES. I > think it is in a similar category to Team OpenOffice. I've found a paypal > button in the Greek site to an individual for translation work. Not sure > about others yet. I'll know when we're complete. These were all sanctioned at > some point and I think the PPMC will need to decide policy in conversation > with trademarks@a.o. > i think it's very confusing to have this individual donation places and i would remove them all. Furthermore i would suggest that we really rethink our portal "www.openoffice.org" in the near future. I don't see the necessity of having too much different content on the localized pages. A 1:1 translation of the English pages should be ok for all. Maybe each regional page can have their own news feed to announce local events but that's it. We should keep it simple. All the community work and information specific to regional communities should move into the wiki and forum from my point of view. Main development work and communication around this is done in English anyway. And i don't think that this is similar to Team OpenOffice.org because Team OpenOffice.org was the only official instance that was allowed to collect donations from the OOo sites. All others were not allowed as far as i know. They were tolerated but not more. Don't ask me why, i have never understood this. well, that is my personal opinion Juergen
