On Oct 31, 2011, at 3:41 PM, Kay Schenk wrote: > > > On 10/31/2011 03:15 PM, Dave Fisher wrote: >> >> On Oct 31, 2011, at 3:04 PM, Kay Schenk wrote: >> >>> 2011/10/31 J�rgen Schmidt<jogischm...@googlemail.com> >>> >>>> On 10/31/11 5:55 AM, Dave Fisher wrote: >>>> >>>>> >>>>> On Oct 30, 2011, at 9:37 PM, Dennis E. Hamilton wrote: >>>>> >>>>> The stuff you are doing is too arcane for me and not where I >>>>> notice >>>>>> problems. I notice things in the content itself at the >>>>>> staging site ( ooo-site.apache.org). I might be able to >>>>>> learn to edit the ooo/ooo-site pages, but I don't want to get >>>>>> ahead of myself. >>>>>> >>>>>> Not sure which works better, bugzilla for some, wiki for >>>>>> others. Just not sure. Is there a bugzilla "project" for >>>>>> these. www? >>>>>> >>>>>> - Dennis >>>>>> >>>>>> PS: Examples - the sort of thing I am noticing >>>>>> >>>>>> 1. I had a lengthy back-and-forth with Larry Rosen on Terms >>>>>> of Use and have guidance that I think will work with regard >>>>>> to wiki, forum, and site pages. (Not the same for all of >>>>>> them.) Also about Trademarks. (What you have at the bottom >>>>>> of the main pages is close, others need more care. May be a >>>>>> few variations to use.) >>>>>> >>>>> >>>>> Good. I wanted some guidance here. CWiki? >>>>> >>>>> Or, let's find the pages and make the changes. >>>>> >>>>> >>>>>> 2. A Q about the bottom-of-page use of the feather and >>>>>> mention of "the Apache CMS." >>>>>> >>>>> >>>>> I've asked trademarks@a.o in general about the look. What's >>>>> your question? I just sort of came up with it and now I'm >>>>> asking too. >>>>> >>>>> >>>>>> 3. Bug on the left of this >>>>>> page:<http://ooo-site.apache.**org/es/<http://ooo-site.apache.org/es/>> >>>>>> >>>>>> > above the blue bar. >>>>>> >>>>> >>>>> You mean "We're sorry"? I'm not sure either. There are lots of >>>>> little flaws like that. URLs are somewhat random, some are >>>>> fully qualified and others are properly relative. This includes >>>>> css and js that are not always found. These are the kinds of >>>>> errors that will take some tedious time to handle. >>>>> >>>>> 4. This page, for Downloads, linked from the ES home page, has >>>>> a PayPal >>>>>> button and solicits $25 donations for downloads:< >>>>>> http://ooo-site.apache.org/es/**programa/index.html<http://ooo-site.apache.org/es/programa/index.html>>. >>>>>> >>>>>> > The solicitations are for the "oooES" PayPal account. >>>>>> >>>>> >>>>> Yes, I've flagged that as well - Alexandro should be able to >>>>> explain oooES. I think it is in a similar category to Team >>>>> OpenOffice. I've found a paypal button in the Greek site to an >>>>> individual for translation work. Not sure about others yet. >>>>> I'll know when we're complete. These were all sanctioned at >>>>> some point and I think the PPMC will need to decide policy in >>>>> conversation with trademarks@a.o. >>>>> >>>>> >>>> i think it's very confusing to have this individual donation >>>> places and i would remove them all. Furthermore i would suggest >>>> that we really rethink our portal "www.openoffice.org" in the >>>> near future. I don't see the necessity of having too much >>>> different content on the localized pages. A 1:1 translation of >>>> the English pages should be ok for all. Maybe each regional page >>>> can have their own news feed to announce local events but that's >>>> it. We should keep it simple. >>>> >>> >>> Yes, this is a good idea...IMO. >>> >>> >>>> >>>> All the community work and information specific to regional >>>> communities should move into the wiki and forum from my point of >>>> view. Main development work and communication around this is done >>>> in English anyway. >>>> >>> >>> This was discussed (somewhat) early on. I, like you, felt the N-L >>> communities might be better served by moving them to the wiki. But, >>> then the question was -- who should do this? Should anyone (else) >>> take ownership of these areas? >> >> Exactly the correct question. We need to have people from these >> communities appear and take "ownership" of their site. Once they do >> then we can suggest that the wiki is better and simple translations >> of the main OOo site content is best. >> >> My current approach is do the sites where interest is expressed or >> expected because we know people from that part of the community are >> present on ooo-dev. >> >> I'm doing the minimum to get each started. One reason I don't want BZ >> yet, particularly for these NL sites. > > I understand completely. We are just really in the beginning stages of what > to with this legacy area and how to use it *now*. Maybe an alternate > [DISCUSS] thread or some more work vis a vis the wiki might be in order. > There is a LOT to deal with and really I feel that so many of these comments > and suggestions are really what I consider missing the "big picture" at this > place in time.
The comments and questions about the logo click and "Ajax" / no wrapping certain pages are pertinent regardless of the big picture. I applaud engagement at that level. Yes, a CWiki is a good idea. If someone would start a page with issues like terms and donation buttons that decisions that then need action that would help. I am also looking forward to talking with people at Apachecon. And buying some drinks for Infrastructure. > This is, a "staging" area after all. > > I applaud your efforts and feel badly that a lot of what I had done earlier > had to be redone, but, well, I guess I was always anticipating a LOT of > clean-up before serious discussion. Thanks. And please don't feel badly. We all had to be patient while waiting for ooo-site and I wasn't paying close attention and neglected to verify. BTW - kenai2website.sh now includes dos2unix.pl. If the project is already in the ooo-site svn then the kenai export remains in /tmp and you can copy all or most of it over the existing directory. Regards, Dave > > >> >> Regards, Dave >> >>> >>> >>>> >>>> And i don't think that this is similar to Team OpenOffice.org >>>> because Team OpenOffice.org was the only official instance that >>>> was allowed to collect donations from the OOo sites. All others >>>> were not allowed as far as i know. They were tolerated but not >>>> more. Don't ask me why, i have never understood this. >>>> >>>> well, that is my personal opinion >>>> >>>> Juergen >>>> >>>> >>>> >>> >>> >>> -- >>> --------------------------------------------------------------------------------------- >>> >>> > MzK >>> >>> "This is no social crisis Just another tricky day for you." -- >>> "Tricky Day", the Who >> > > -- > ------------------------------------------------------------------------ > MzK > > "This is no social crisis > Just another tricky day for you." > -- "Tricky Day", the Who
