On 04/26/2012 07:02 AM, Rob Weir wrote:
On Wed, Apr 25, 2012 at 5:36 PM, Kay Schenk<kay.sch...@gmail.com> wrote:
On 04/25/2012 02:29 PM, Rob Weir wrote:
On Wed, Apr 25, 2012 at 1:05 PM, Kay Schenk<kay.sch...@gmail.com> wrote:
On 04/25/2012 10:03 AM, Rob Weir wrote:
On Wed, Apr 25, 2012 at 12:15 PM, Kay Schenk<kay.sch...@gmail.com>
wrote:
On Wed, Apr 25, 2012 at 6:48 AM, Rob Weir<robw...@apache.org> wrote:
On Tue, Apr 24, 2012 at 5:41 PM, Marcus (OOo)<marcus.m...@wtnet.de>
wrote:
Am 04/24/2012 11:09 PM, schrieb Kay Schenk:
On 04/24/2012 01:05 PM, Marcus (OOo) wrote:
Am 04/24/2012 07:54 PM, schrieb Kay Schenk:
Hi all--
Right now, when I click on "I want to download OpenOffice", I
don't
the
expanded green button I was getting last week, for example. I had
made
some
changes to this a week or so ago, but the changes that I
incorporated,
and
the green button itself were just fine after that. I think my
current
experience may be due to a problem with getting the mirror link
but
I
need
to confirm this in a bit.
So, question #1.
I would like someone else to try this and let the list know what
your
results are -- are you getting the expanded green button or being
shuttled
to /download/index.html instead?
Question #2. If you're not getting the DL button, or even if you
are,
how
strongly do you feel about having the expanding button, or would
just
a
jump to /download/index.html be just as good?
I know there was a LOT of discussion when this design first
emerged,
but,
it would much much easier for changes in DL code -- Rob's proposal
for
unification of yesterday for instance -- if we could just dump
this
"internal" DL button on the home page. Yes, the buttons are the
same
to the
eye anyway on both the main index.html page and
/download/index.html
but
the html implementation is different, different enough that both
these
areas need to be changed when changes are needed. Additionally,
dumping the
"generated" button on the home page would allow us to standardize
more
easily on incorporating the DL button -- the code used on
/download/index.html -- on other pages like the NL pages.
Thanks for looking at this and responding.
It seems Rob's last commit (r1329501 - "Remove unneeded GA code")
has
removed accidently also the toggle mode for the download button.
This
is
done via JavaScript, too.
I've repaired it as the expanded donwload button is IMHO a nice
feature.
Marcus
Marcus--Thanks for this...but...it would be really really helpful if
we
could just do away with this approach.
I'm going to work on the underpinnings in /download today, and not
the
home page, so I'll wait to hear from a few others.
So far, it looks like we've got 2 to "remove/OK with removing it"
(me,
Dave), and 1 not to remove (you).
Of course we can remove the toggle feature for the green box. Lets
see
what
others say.
I've just re-enabled it because the effort was really minimal.
What are the arguments for and against?
For:
I think the argument FOR the inclusion of the expanding DL button on
the
home page was the idea of having the DL available "right there" for
them.
Still, unlike other sites which would automatically display the
appropriate
DL immediately, the user must click on the DL area of the page to "get"
the
green DL button, so I question the former reasoning.
From the homepage, it is the same number of mouse clicks to download
either way, right? We don't save any clicks by dynamically
expanding the DL button on the home page.
yes...this is correct -- same number of clicks...
On the "against" side.
* We bring in a bunch of additional JS to the home page which we
wouldn't
need if the "I want to download..." simply went to download/index.html.
* None of the other links on the home page work like this -- they all
take
you someplace else
* In theory, editing changes to make download/index.html work should
should
port to the DL button on the home page, but for some reason, I,
personally
have had issues with this in the past, I don't remember why
* You can not, based on how the button is currently constructed on the
home
page, just pop-in something to make this happen -- some of the JS
needed
must live on the home page to make things work. Well maybe you can and
I
just don't know how to do this.
* Changes made to the current DL logic (and really this whole process
in
terms of coding REALLY needs further evaluation) like function names
and
arguments to them, etc. need to be ported to two areas rather than one.
IMHO, if we have a a dedicated download page we can improve it over
time. Having more screen real-estate would allow us to make install
instructions more prominent and give other helpful information.
Eventually the thing on the home page will be comparatively less
helpful.
I agree -- just making the few changes we did recently was, while not
difficult, took some futzing on the home page DL button to make things
LOOK
a bit nicer. And, I don't like making unnecessary changes ON the home
page.
:/
My .02
At this stage of this project's existence, I think we need to
concentrate
on minimizing complexity.
My life lesson: Only start a garden as large as you are able care for.
EXACTLY! We definitely need to consider the number, time and skills of
the
gardeners in this case! ;]
so? conclusion?
So far it looks like the support is for making this be a link to the
download page. That is my preference as well. But let's let the
earth turn and see if anyone else has thoughts.
-Rob
yes, I'm good with that as well...bad bad bad bad net connection day for me!
:( so no work so far anyway...
The earth has turned, and no objections. So let's do it!
okie dokie!
Did you want to check in the change, or did you want me to?
I think we can strip out all of the download logic from the home page,
which should make it load faster as well.
well I was thinking about doing it later today when I get back to work
on my test DL page (almost done with that -- will post something for
folks to ponder on later today!) but feel free to make this change
earlier if you feel like it.
I'm really very happy we came to this conclusion.
-Rob
-Rob
Aside from a good user experience, my interest is in having clean,
unifiied download logic, to support an overall download policy,
including how we mirror, how we track statistics, how we route and how
we recommend downloads based on request headers.
-Rob
Marecus
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MzK
"Well, life has a funny way of sneaking up on you
And life has a funny way of helping you out
Helping you out."
-- "Ironic", Alanis Morissette
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MzK
"Well, life has a funny way of sneaking up on you
And life has a funny way of helping you out
Helping you out."
-- "Ironic", Alanis Morissette
--
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MzK
"Well, life has a funny way of sneaking up on you
And life has a funny way of helping you out
Helping you out."
-- "Ironic", Alanis Morissette
