On Fri, Apr 27, 2012 at 10:43 AM, Dave Fisher <dave2w...@comcast.net> wrote: > > On Apr 26, 2012, at 8:25 AM, Kay Schenk wrote: > >> >> >> On 04/26/2012 07:02 AM, Rob Weir wrote: >>> On Wed, Apr 25, 2012 at 5:36 PM, Kay Schenk<kay.sch...@gmail.com> wrote: >>>> >>>> >>>> On 04/25/2012 02:29 PM, Rob Weir wrote: >>>>> >>>>> On Wed, Apr 25, 2012 at 1:05 PM, Kay Schenk<kay.sch...@gmail.com> >>>>> wrote: >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> On 04/25/2012 10:03 AM, Rob Weir wrote: >>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>>> On Wed, Apr 25, 2012 at 12:15 PM, Kay Schenk<kay.sch...@gmail.com> >>>>>>> wrote: >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> On Wed, Apr 25, 2012 at 6:48 AM, Rob Weir<robw...@apache.org> >>>>>>>> wrote: >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> On Tue, Apr 24, 2012 at 5:41 PM, Marcus (OOo)<marcus.m...@wtnet.de> >>>>>>>>> wrote: >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> Am 04/24/2012 11:09 PM, schrieb Kay Schenk: >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>> On 04/24/2012 01:05 PM, Marcus (OOo) wrote: >>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>> Am 04/24/2012 07:54 PM, schrieb Kay Schenk: >>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>> Hi all-- >>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>> Right now, when I click on "I want to download OpenOffice", I >>>>>>>>>>>>> don't >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> the >>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>> expanded green button I was getting last week, for example. I had >>>>>>>>>>>>> made >>>>>>>>>>>>> some >>>>>>>>>>>>> changes to this a week or so ago, but the changes that I >>>>>>>>>>>>> incorporated, >>>>>>>>>>>>> and >>>>>>>>>>>>> the green button itself were just fine after that. I think my >>>>>>>>>>>>> current >>>>>>>>>>>>> experience may be due to a problem with getting the mirror link >>>>>>>>>>>>> but >>>>>>>>>>>>> I >>>>>>>>>>>>> need >>>>>>>>>>>>> to confirm this in a bit. >>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>> So, question #1. >>>>>>>>>>>>> I would like someone else to try this and let the list know what >>>>>>>>>>>>> your >>>>>>>>>>>>> results are -- are you getting the expanded green button or being >>>>>>>>>>>>> shuttled >>>>>>>>>>>>> to /download/index.html instead? >>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>> Question #2. If you're not getting the DL button, or even if you >>>>>>>>>>>>> are, >>>>>>>>>>>>> how >>>>>>>>>>>>> strongly do you feel about having the expanding button, or would >>>>>>>>>>>>> just >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> a >>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>> jump to /download/index.html be just as good? >>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>> I know there was a LOT of discussion when this design first >>>>>>>>>>>>> emerged, >>>>>>>>>>>>> but, >>>>>>>>>>>>> it would much much easier for changes in DL code -- Rob's proposal >>>>>>>>>>>>> for >>>>>>>>>>>>> unification of yesterday for instance -- if we could just dump >>>>>>>>>>>>> this >>>>>>>>>>>>> "internal" DL button on the home page. Yes, the buttons are the >>>>>>>>>>>>> same >>>>>>>>>>>>> to the >>>>>>>>>>>>> eye anyway on both the main index.html page and >>>>>>>>>>>>> /download/index.html >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> but >>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>> the html implementation is different, different enough that both >>>>>>>>>>>>> these >>>>>>>>>>>>> areas need to be changed when changes are needed. Additionally, >>>>>>>>>>>>> dumping the >>>>>>>>>>>>> "generated" button on the home page would allow us to standardize >>>>>>>>>>>>> more >>>>>>>>>>>>> easily on incorporating the DL button -- the code used on >>>>>>>>>>>>> /download/index.html -- on other pages like the NL pages. >>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>> Thanks for looking at this and responding. >>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>> It seems Rob's last commit (r1329501 - "Remove unneeded GA code") >>>>>>>>>>>> has >>>>>>>>>>>> removed accidently also the toggle mode for the download button. >>>>>>>>>>>> This >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> is >>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>> done via JavaScript, too. >>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>> I've repaired it as the expanded donwload button is IMHO a nice >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> feature. >>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>> Marcus >>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>> Marcus--Thanks for this...but...it would be really really helpful if >>>>>>>>>>> we >>>>>>>>>>> could just do away with this approach. >>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>> I'm going to work on the underpinnings in /download today, and not >>>>>>>>>>> the >>>>>>>>>>> home page, so I'll wait to hear from a few others. >>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>> So far, it looks like we've got 2 to "remove/OK with removing it" >>>>>>>>>>> (me, >>>>>>>>>>> Dave), and 1 not to remove (you). >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> Of course we can remove the toggle feature for the green box. Lets >>>>>>>>>> see >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> what >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> others say. >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> I've just re-enabled it because the effort was really minimal. >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> What are the arguments for and against? >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> For: >>>>>>>> I think the argument FOR the inclusion of the expanding DL button on >>>>>>>> the >>>>>>>> home page was the idea of having the DL available "right there" for >>>>>>>> them. >>>>>>>> Still, unlike other sites which would automatically display the >>>>>>>> appropriate >>>>>>>> DL immediately, the user must click on the DL area of the page to "get" >>>>>>>> the >>>>>>>> green DL button, so I question the former reasoning. >>>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>>> From the homepage, it is the same number of mouse clicks to download >>>>>>> either way, right? We don't save any clicks by dynamically >>>>>>> expanding the DL button on the home page. >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> yes...this is correct -- same number of clicks... >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>>>> On the "against" side. >>>>>>>> * We bring in a bunch of additional JS to the home page which we >>>>>>>> wouldn't >>>>>>>> need if the "I want to download..." simply went to download/index.html. >>>>>>>> * None of the other links on the home page work like this -- they all >>>>>>>> take >>>>>>>> you someplace else >>>>>>>> * In theory, editing changes to make download/index.html work should >>>>>>>> should >>>>>>>> port to the DL button on the home page, but for some reason, I, >>>>>>>> personally >>>>>>>> have had issues with this in the past, I don't remember why >>>>>>>> * You can not, based on how the button is currently constructed on the >>>>>>>> home >>>>>>>> page, just pop-in something to make this happen -- some of the JS >>>>>>>> needed >>>>>>>> must live on the home page to make things work. Well maybe you can and >>>>>>>> I >>>>>>>> just don't know how to do this. >>>>>>>> * Changes made to the current DL logic (and really this whole process >>>>>>>> in >>>>>>>> terms of coding REALLY needs further evaluation) like function names >>>>>>>> and >>>>>>>> arguments to them, etc. need to be ported to two areas rather than one. >>>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>>> IMHO, if we have a a dedicated download page we can improve it over >>>>>>> time. Having more screen real-estate would allow us to make install >>>>>>> instructions more prominent and give other helpful information. >>>>>>> Eventually the thing on the home page will be comparatively less >>>>>>> helpful. >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> I agree -- just making the few changes we did recently was, while not >>>>>> difficult, took some futzing on the home page DL button to make things >>>>>> LOOK >>>>>> a bit nicer. And, I don't like making unnecessary changes ON the home >>>>>> page. >>>>>> :/ >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>>>> My .02 >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> At this stage of this project's existence, I think we need to >>>>>>>> concentrate >>>>>>>> on minimizing complexity. >>>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>>> My life lesson: Only start a garden as large as you are able care for. >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> EXACTLY! We definitely need to consider the number, time and skills of >>>>>> the >>>>>> gardeners in this case! ;] >>>>>> >>>>>> so? conclusion? >>>>>> >>>>> >>>>> So far it looks like the support is for making this be a link to the >>>>> download page. That is my preference as well. But let's let the >>>>> earth turn and see if anyone else has thoughts. >>>>> >>>>> -Rob >>>> >>>> >>>> yes, I'm good with that as well...bad bad bad bad net connection day for >>>> me! >>>> :( so no work so far anyway... >>>> >>> >>> The earth has turned, and no objections. So let's do it! >> >> okie dokie! >> >>> >>> Did you want to check in the change, or did you want me to? >>> >>> I think we can strip out all of the download logic from the home page, >>> which should make it load faster as well. >> >> well I was thinking about doing it later today when I get back to work on my >> test DL page (almost done with that -- will post something for folks to >> ponder on later today!) but feel free to make this change earlier if you >> feel like it. >> >> I'm really very happy we came to this conclusion. > > This gives us a chance to reconsider the home page design around the current > project. Many of the big buttons duplicate the top nav... > > We could show twitter and other activity ... > > This should be another thread. >
The KISS solution would be to just have a a 15 x 6 table for the downloads. The local detection code is needed when we have 100 languages, but with 15 supported languages in AOO 3.4 a simple table might be fine. Tables work even where Javascript is disabled ;-) -Rob > Regards, > Dave > > >> >>> >>> -Rob >>> >>> >>>> >>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>>> -Rob >>>>>>> >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> Aside from a good user experience, my interest is in having clean, >>>>>>>>> unifiied download logic, to support an overall download policy, >>>>>>>>> including how we mirror, how we track statistics, how we route and how >>>>>>>>> we recommend downloads based on request headers. >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> -Rob >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> Marecus >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> -- >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> ---------------------------------------------------------------------------------------- >>>>>>>> MzK >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> "Well, life has a funny way of sneaking up on you >>>>>>>> And life has a funny way of helping you out >>>>>>>> Helping you out." >>>>>>>> -- "Ironic", Alanis Morissette >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> -- >>>>>> ------------------------------------------------------------------------ >>>>>> MzK >>>>>> >>>>>> "Well, life has a funny way of sneaking up on you >>>>>> And life has a funny way of helping you out >>>>>> Helping you out." >>>>>> -- "Ironic", Alanis Morissette >>>> >>>> >>>> -- >>>> ------------------------------------------------------------------------ >>>> MzK >>>> >>>> "Well, life has a funny way of sneaking up on you >>>> And life has a funny way of helping you out >>>> Helping you out." >>>> -- "Ironic", Alanis Morissette >> >> -- >> ------------------------------------------------------------------------ >> MzK >> >> "Well, life has a funny way of sneaking up on you >> And life has a funny way of helping you out >> Helping you out." >> -- "Ironic", Alanis Morissette >
