On Wed, 2012-08-15 at 18:06 -0700, Dave Fisher wrote: > On Aug 15, 2012, at 5:37 PM, Rob Weir wrote: > > > On Wed, Aug 15, 2012 at 7:31 PM, TJ Frazier <tjfraz...@cfl.rr.com> wrote: > >> On 8/15/2012 18:52, Rob Weir wrote: > >>> > >>> On Wed, Aug 15, 2012 at 5:45 PM, Dave Fisher <dave2w...@comcast.net> > >>> wrote: > >>>> > >>>> > >>>> On Aug 15, 2012, at 2:22 PM, Dave Fisher wrote: > >>>> > >>>>> Is there a reason that the README in the source release is still > >>>>> pointing at http://wiki.openoffice.org/wiki/MacOSXBuildInstructions for > >>>>> Mac > >>>>> Builds? > >>>>> > >>>>> Minimally this then points to http://wiki.openoffice.org/wiki/AquaBuild > >>>>> this doesn't seem exactly like what was used for 3.4.0? > >>>>> > >>>>> Would someone check the Build instructions and then update to be very > >>>>> clear what is current. > >>>>> > >>>>> I am proceeding with my tests as if the prerequisites have not changed > >>>>> and that I have them from my AOO 3.4 tests build. > >>>> > >>>> > >>>> I am stuck and I am stopping. I am very unhappy with the instructions on > >>>> the WIki page. I needed help with 3.4 and now I need help with 3.4.1. > >>>> > >>>> Please show me the simplest way to build on a Mac from Source and show me > >>>> on the Wiki based on > >>>> http://wiki.openoffice.org/wiki/MacOSXBuildInstructions > >>>> > >>>> BTW - Remember that SOURCE is the ONLY OFFICIAL RELEASE. > >>>> > >>> > >>> That is your opinion, expressed loudly; it is not Apache or IPMC > >>> policy. We are officially voting on binaries as well and these are > >>> being inspected and these will be part of the official release. The > >>> IPMC doc calls the source artifacts "canonical", but the same docs > >>> talk about binaries being included in the official release as well. > >>> In fact, it says of binary packages, "For some projects, this makes > >>> sense. For others, it does not." Obviously you have your own opinion > >>> on this, but it is equally true that the vast majority of PPMC members > >>> have a different opinion. > >>> > >>> -Rob > >> > >> > >> Rob, > >> > >> Please consider the blistering email from Roy T. Fielding, to general@inc > >> and to infra, on 3/27, 05:50, opposing "released' binaries. IMHO, he will > >> need to change his mind. OTOH, he is a founder and board member ... > >> > > > > Current IPMC policy, as documented, states otherwise. ASF practice, > > both with TLP's and Podlings, is to release binaries where the PMC > > wishes to do so. The general discussion has gone far beyond whether > > or not we release binaries or whether they are official. We're now > > discussing how rather than whether these binaries can be signed. > > > > Availability of source code is what makes Apache OpenOffice open > > source. But the binaries are what make OpenOffice an end user > > application, something no other Apache project has previously > > attempted. So it is not surprising that this is a challenge to > > long-held practices and habits for some Apache members. But this is > > fully in accord with the Apache mission to publish software for the > > public good. I'd like to think that open minds can see how binaries > > can be just as much of a public benefit as source code can be. If > > this is not apparent to anyone, I'd recommend a read of this page: > > > > http://incubator.apache.org/openofficeorg/mission.html > > > > So again I would ask that we choose our words more carefully, since > > they are repeated, out of context, and are ascribed greater authority > > than we might intend. For example, I read recently on a European > > Commission websiste that a group of French agencies decided not to use > > Apache OpenOffice, in part because they were lead to believe that > > "Apache...doesn’t deliver installable software (binaries)". This is > > absolutely false. > > Convenience binary artifacts are released for the benefit of users. > > At the most basic level when we VOTE we are approving the source release. We > are stating that we understand the License and Copyright of the source and > that it is in Policy. This is the standard for the IPMC and an Apache Member. > It is not a vote that says that the code even works properly it confirms that > it is valid Apache Release. > > We, the PPMC, also VOTE that these binary artifacts are of high quality and > that they work, but we are relying on others in the project to come up with > that in aggregate - none of us have every environment - none of us understand > every language. This is a different standard. We are certifying that the > source release when built produces these artifacts and that they are useful > to users. > > We can consider how to treat the word "Official" or "Certified" around > platform builds that may be called "Apache OpenOffice" as opposed to "Powered > by Apache OpenOffice". This certainly gets into the area of digital > signatures which is fast becoming a topic for multiple projects at The ASF. > And yes the quality is about the control of the build. > > Does that help?
NO The ASF stands behind the actual binary release as official or not, it is not a niggling point in my mind. What does that mean - it means that a binary will be kept available (not just the source), it means that a security fix is not released if it is in source only, for a package that has been previously released in binary form, not as a convenience but has a duty. //drew > > Regards, > Dave > > > > > -Rob > > > >> (Sorry for no neat refs; I keep my own archives :-) ) > >> /tj/ > >> > >>> > >>>> (I really don't want to -1 this release.) > >>>> > >>>> Regards, > >>>> Dave > >>>> > >>>>> > >>>>> Thanks & Regards, > >>>>> Dave > >>>>> > >>>>> > >>>>> Begin forwarded message: > >>>>> > >>>>>> From: Jürgen Schmidt <jogischm...@gmail.com> > >>>>>> Date: August 15, 2012 7:01:47 AM PDT > >>>>>> To: "ooo-dev@incubator.apache.org" <ooo-dev@incubator.apache.org> > >>>>>> Subject: Re: [VOTE]: Release Apache OpenOffice 3.4.1 (incubating), RC2 > >>>>>> Reply-To: ooo-dev@incubator.apache.org > >>>>>> delivered-to: mailing list ooo-dev@incubator.apache.org > >>>>>> > >>>>>> Hi, > >>>>>> > >>>>>> please vote on this email to ooo-dev only, thanks. > >>>>>> > >>>>>> On 8/15/12 2:02 PM, Jürgen Schmidt wrote: > >>>>>>> > >>>>>>> Hi all, > >>>>>>> > >>>>>>> this is a call for vote on releasing the following candidate as Apache > >>>>>>> OpenOffice 3.4.1 (incubating). This will be our first bug fix release > >>>>>>> after the AOO 3.4 from May 8th. A further milestone to show that we > >>>>>>> deliver good and stable software with focus on quality. It will again > >>>>>>> help to continue the success of OpenOffice.org and will gain > >>>>>>> confidence > >>>>>>> in OpenOffice. > >>>>>>> > >>>>>>> This time I did not prepare a separate page to highlighting the > >>>>>>> release > >>>>>>> candidate. We had developer snapshot since several weeks and the > >>>>>>> latest > >>>>>>> one based on revision 1372282 is intended to become released if the > >>>>>>> voting succeeds. That means and to make it clear you vote here on the > >>>>>>> final release based on this snapshot build. > >>>>>>> > >>>>>>> > >>>>>>> This release is intended to be a bug fix release and to introduce some > >>>>>>> further languages: > >>>>>>> (1) 71 issues are fixed and a detailed list can be watched under > >>>>>>> http://s.apache.org/Huv. > >>>>>>> (2) 5 further languages are now officially supported: British English, > >>>>>>> Khmer, Slovenian, Slovak, and Finnish. > >>>>>>> > >>>>>>> For a detailed feature overview please see the release notes under > >>>>>>> > >>>>>>> https://cwiki.apache.org/confluence/display/OOOUSERS/AOO+3.4.1+Release+Notes. > >>>>>>> > >>>>>>> > >>>>>>> The release candidate artifacts (source release, as well as binary > >>>>>>> releases for 20 languages) and further information how to verify and > >>>>>>> review Apache OpenOffice 3.4.1 (incubating) can be found on the > >>>>>>> following wiki page: > >>>>>>> > >>>>>>> > >>>>>>> hhttps://cwiki.apache.org/confluence/display/OOOUSERS/Development+Snapshot+Builds#DevelopmentSnapshotBuilds-AOO3.4.1 > >>>>>>> > >>>>>>> > >>>>>>> Please vote on releasing this package as Apache OpenOffice 3.4.1 > >>>>>>> (incubating). > >>>>>>> > >>>>>>> The vote starts now and will be open until: > >>>>>>> > >>>>>>> Saturday, 18 August: 2012-08-18 2:00pm UTC+2. > >>>>>>> > >>>>>>> After the vote of the PPMC the vote will start on > >>>>>>> gene...@incubtor.apache.org mailing and will be open for further 72 > >>>>>>> hours. > >>>>>>> But we invite all people to vote (non binding) on this RC. We would > >>>>>>> like > >>>>>>> to provide a release that is supported by the majority of our project > >>>>>>> members. > >>>>>>> > >>>>>>> [ ] +1 Release this package as Apache OpenOffice 3.4 (incubating) > >>>>>>> [ ] 0 Don't care > >>>>>>> [ ] -1 Do not release this package because... > >>>>>>> > >>>>>> > >>>>> > >>>> > >>> > >>> > >> > >> > >
