On Sep 9, 2012, at 2:51 PM, Kay Schenk <[email protected]> wrote: > > > On 09/08/2012 02:15 PM, tj wrote: >> On 9/8/2012 13:50, Dave Fisher wrote: >>> >>> On Sep 7, 2012, at 6:50 AM, Oliver-Rainer Wittmann wrote: >>> >>>> Hi, >>>> >>>> I would like to give my thoughts on defining roles for management, >>>> ... as the thread "Specific actions needed for developing the >>>> community" tends to become a general one on this topic. >>>> >>>> For me we, the AOO community, need to have an idea about the >>>> different roles which need to be fullfilled to drive our project: >>>> - role of developer >>>> - role of forum admin >>>> - role of tester >>>> - role of UX practitioners >>>> - role of release manager >>>> - role of community manager >>> internal / project(?) >>>> - role of marketing person >>> external / ecosystem(?) >>>> - role of press contact >>>> - role of distribution manager >>>> - role of buildbot admin >>>> - ... >>> >>> role of translators (l10n) >>> role of infrastructure >> >> role of moderators for various MLs >> role of Mwiki admin (mostly me, now; help welcome) >> role of BZ admin (doing a little of that, just added Dave McKay) >> /tj/ >>> >>>> >>>> From my point of view these are more or less areas of the project >>>> which need to be fullfilled with certain actions and coordination. >>>> What I do not believe is that we need to assign certain individuals >>>> on these roles (*). >>>> I agree with Jürgen that certain individuals will grow their >>>> expertise in a certain role/area and as a contributor will take >>>> action or raise flag due to lack of resources, knowlegde, ... >>>> I think we already had quite a couple of good examples for such a >>>> habit. But, I also have to admit that for certain other roles we did >>>> not yet succeed as we could and should. >>>> And here comes the responsibility of the (P)PMC - its management >>>> duty, if you want. The (P)PMC as a group takes care that the roles >>>> are fullfilled. E.g., by raising a corresponding gap on ooo-dev, by >>>> calling for discussion and volunteers, by leveraging new and/or >>>> established members. >>>> My thoughts are also based on the fact that Apache had only two roles >>>> in a project to by assigned to a certain individual - the PMC chair >>>> and the release manager. >>>> >>>> As pointed out above, I think that we need to work out the need and >>>> the working tasks for certain roles in our project. This work out is >>>> from my point of view a community task which could or may be should >>>> be driven by the current PPMC in order to demonstrate our >>>> self-governance. >>> >>> This is good. I think that there are four parts in no particular >>> order. We've done a lot of definition already. This is about >>> reorganizing and formalizing the arrangement. Some of these teams of >>> role players will be small and some large. >>> >>> (1) Defining the role so that any volunteer can know how to start >>> helping. >>> (2) Defining who on the (P)PMC will have oversight with the charge of >>> guiding volunteers and identifying committers. This person should be a >>> player-coach and not a manager. >>> (3) Defining workflow around these roles. Different sets of roles will >>> need to work together. >>> >>> (A) Developing a Release - developer, tester, ux, buildbot. >>> (B) Building / Passing a Release - buildbot, release, community. >>> (C) Distributing a Release - distribution, infrastructure, >>> marketing, press. >>> (D) Supporting Users - forum, tester, ux, community, marketing. >>> >>> (4) What infrastructure the role uses. >>> >>> I think that this should be documented in the incubator website at >>> least for overview and navigation about project roles. Each group that >>> self-organizes around a role should use whatever project resource >>> makes sense for them. >>> >>> Regards, >>> Dave >>> >>>> >>>> >>>> Best regards, Oliver. >>>> >>>> > > This thread is really tremendous work in my opinion! Both the roles and > the workflow groupings! > > Documenting it on the incubator website would be most excellent. >
If someone decides to create a new page for this they should be sure to delete the existing page I created to track admins and moderators: http://incubator.apache.org/openofficeorg/ppmc-faqs.html#moderator (or we could just update that page) Rob >>>> (*) except the ones for the PMC chair and the release manager, of >>>> course, as they are part of the Apache Way. >>> >>> >>> >> >> > > -- > ------------------------------------------------------------------------ > MzK > > "We never sit anything out. We are cups, constantly and quietly > being filled. The trick is, knowing how to tip ourselves over and > let the beautiful stuff out." > -- Ray Bradbury, "Zen in the Art of Writing" >
