On 10/18/12, jan iversen <[email protected]> wrote: > I had a deeper look there and got one good question. > > Why do we keep l10n.openoffice.org ?
Wiki is to work, website is the front of the project. Most projects just keep 2 or 3 pages on the www while having many on the wiki. Usually people enter through the www and then redirect to the wiki eventually. (likewise u will think on Apache.org -> openoffice.apache.org) However OOo probably has more visibility than Apache in the real world. Static content such as processes, FAQ, and others were kept on the www. While more dynamic information like Translating campaigns for each version releases are on the wiki. Translating campaigns like: Release 3.4 > It would be easier to use the l10n page in wiki, combine it with > information from l10n.openOffice.org and the localize wiki page. > > Just as a side remark, that would make it possible for me and others to > contribute. > > jan > > On 18 October 2012 18:07, Alexandro Colorado <[email protected]> wrote: > >> On 10/18/12, jan iversen <[email protected]> wrote: >> > Is there anyone left who feels "responsible" for l10n.openoffice.org, >> > if >> > not I will give it a go, since it is in the scope of what I work on. >> > >> > The steps suggested seems quite fair, however I do not know who consult >> > with ? >> >> l10n was directed by Rafaela Braconi who was a Sun/Oracle employee so >> most of the direction got lost there. Most of the process was >> concerted with the engineers like Eike Rathke and Pavel Janik which >> deal with the l10n cws. I think Pavel still around, but not very >> active lately. >> >> > >> > jan >> > >> > On 18 October 2012 15:46, Alexandro Colorado <[email protected]> wrote: >> > >> >> On 10/18/12, jan iversen <[email protected]> wrote: >> >> > I have already put links in place, both on the localization page and >> on >> >> the >> >> > original (not old :) ) document. >> >> > >> >> > It is now updated with you snippet. >> >> >> >> Since we are in this topic there is also another branch that would >> >> need to be updated -- eventually. Which is the l10n.openoffice.org >> >> website. This was updated back in 2010 and most of the update process >> >> was documented here: >> >> http://wiki.openoffice.org/wiki/L10n_Web_Pages_Reloaded >> >> >> >> We should use this docs as a framework to see in what stages we want >> >> to update the infromation and also to what extend. There is still a >> >> lot of infrastructure to be done specially on QA-Testing and release >> >> sync. >> >> >> >> >> >> > >> >> > jan >> >> > >> >> > >> >> > On 18 October 2012 15:05, Alexandro Colorado <[email protected]> wrote: >> >> > >> >> >> On 10/16/12, jan iversen <[email protected]> wrote: >> >> >> > Don´t misunderstand me, I think everybody does a nice job in >> getting >> >> us >> >> >> in >> >> >> > the right direction. >> >> >> > >> >> >> > I agree with the structure as such, it is just at the moment a >> >> >> > pain >> >> >> > in >> >> >> the >> >> >> > neck when you search information (and not to forget, my old >> >> >> > horse, >> >> >> > the >> >> >> > multiple logins). >> >> >> >> >> >> Is called transitional period. It seems Apache people dont want to >> >> >> deal with PHP, something that Sun didn't mind as much. So most >> >> >> infrastructure (Mediawiki, PHPBBs, Drupal) are in a virtual >> >> >> environment at the moment. >> >> >> >> >> >> Multiple logins have always been an issue in OOo as a whole, the >> >> >> idea >> >> >> of implementing OpenID came out several times, but many people >> >> >> didnt >> >> >> seem to mind just having multiple accounts, so it never gained >> >> >> traction. >> >> >> >> >> >> Now at apache, doesnt seem that different except for pootle that >> share >> >> >> your commit credentials with http://people.apache.org but neither >> >> >> forums, extensions or cwiki share these credentials. >> >> >> >> >> >> > >> >> >> > I am just writing the last pages on "localization of AOO" >> describing >> >> >> > the >> >> >> > current l10n process as ground work for a discussion on where we >> >> >> > want >> >> >> > to >> >> >> > go. >> >> >> >> >> >> Again this should be included in MWiki IMO so there is no 'old >> >> >> localization' and 'new localization'. I suggest a good start would >> >> >> be >> >> >> to create links between them and mark outdated information as such. >> >> >> MWiki had special tags for this. >> >> >> >> >> >> <div> >> >> >> <span style="border:1px solid #CC7777; background-color: #FFEDED; >> >> >> padding: 4px; text-align: left; font-weight: bold; margin-bottom: >> >> >> 20px;"> >> >> >> [[image:documentation_exclamation.png|40px]] This article is >> outdated. >> >> >> </span> >> >> >> </div> >> >> >> >> >> >> > >> >> >> > I was suggested to make a subpage of the current page in Wiki, >> >> >> > that >> >> >> > will >> >> >> be >> >> >> > easy for me, but at the same time shows, that we need to make a >> >> >> > deadline, >> >> >> > freeze the wiki for a couple of days and divide the pages. >> >> >> > >> >> >> > rgds >> >> >> > JanI. >> >> >> > >> >> >> > On 16 October 2012 14:34, Rob Weir <[email protected]> wrote: >> >> >> > >> >> >> >> On Tue, Oct 16, 2012 at 6:42 AM, RGB ES <[email protected]> >> wrote: >> >> >> >> > 2012/10/16 jan iversen <[email protected]> >> >> >> >> > >> >> >> >> >> I know...it is just a matter of how many accounts do you want >> to >> >> >> >> maintain >> >> >> >> >> in order to help on AOO. >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> If I look for information regarding AOO I would look in >> >> >> >> >> wiki.openoffice.org, >> >> >> >> >> I would not think of cwiki.apache.org >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> or have I misunderstood something ? >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> rgds >> >> >> >> >> Jan I. >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> > If my memory do not betray me (I cannot find the thread) there >> >> >> >> > was >> >> >> >> > (sort-of) an agreement to use cwiki for development matters >> >> >> >> > and >> >> >> >> > the >> >> >> >> > traditional wiki for community support. But it is better to >> >> >> >> > not >> >> >> >> > trust >> >> >> >> > my >> >> >> >> > memory... ;) >> >> >> >> > >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> Historically there was a single website, www.openoffice.org that >> >> >> >> was >> >> >> >> both user-facing and project-facing. It was a single domain >> >> >> >> (openoffice.org) as well as subdomains for distinct projects. >> >> Behind >> >> >> >> this domain were static web pages, a wiki, forums, extensions >> >> >> >> and >> >> >> >> template libraries, etc. So behind the scenes it was quite >> >> >> >> complex, >> >> >> >> but to everyone it looked like "openoffice.org". >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> With the move to Apache the services were arranged differently. >> >> >> >> Bugzilla is under an apache.org domain. Apache Infrastructure >> >> >> >> supported CWiki and MoinMoin, but not MWiki. And all Apache >> >> >> >> projects >> >> >> >> have an official page in the apache.org domain. >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> So the idea was that we would have two different experiences: a >> >> >> >> user-facing "product" website at openoffice.org, where we focus >> on >> >> >> >> user-facing tasks like product information, downloads and >> >> >> >> support. >> >> >> >> And a project-facing website, at an Apache domain, with >> information >> >> >> >> for volunteers participating on the project. So product versus >> >> >> >> project. The split is imperfect, since there is still a lot of >> >> >> >> project-related content on the openoffice.org domain. But I >> think >> >> >> >> we've done a good job at making the user experience be clean. A >> >> >> >> user >> >> >> >> going to the www.openoffice.org home page does not easily find >> >> >> >> outdated content. However, some of the native language home >> pages, >> >> >> >> the ones not maintained yet, have a worse experience. >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> -Rob >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> > Regards >> >> >> >> > Ricardo >> >> >> >> >> >> >> > >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> -- >> >> >> Alexandro Colorado >> >> >> PPMC Apache OpenOffice >> >> >> http://es.openoffice.org >> >> >> >> >> > >> >> >> >> >> >> -- >> >> Alexandro Colorado >> >> PPMC Apache OpenOffice >> >> http://es.openoffice.org >> >> >> > >> >> >> -- >> Alexandro Colorado >> PPMC Apache OpenOffice >> http://es.openoffice.org >> > -- Alexandro Colorado PPMC Apache OpenOffice http://es.openoffice.org
