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Most projects >> >> just keep 2 or 3 pages on the www while having many on the wiki. >> >> Usually people enter through the www and then redirect to the wiki >> >> eventually. (likewise u will think on Apache.org -> >> >> openoffice.apache.org) However OOo probably has more visibility than >> >> Apache in the real world. >> >> >> >> Static content such as processes, FAQ, and others were kept on the >> >> www. While more dynamic information like Translating campaigns for >> >> each version releases are on the wiki. Translating campaigns like: >> >> Release 3.4 >> >> >> >> >> >> > It would be easier to use the l10n page in wiki, combine it with >> >> > information from l10n.openOffice.org and the localize wiki page. >> >> > >> >> > Just as a side remark, that would make it possible for me and others >> to >> >> > contribute. >> >> > >> >> > jan >> >> > >> >> > On 18 October 2012 18:07, Alexandro Colorado <[email protected]> wrote: >> >> > >> >> >> On 10/18/12, jan iversen <[email protected]> wrote: >> >> >> > Is there anyone left who feels "responsible" for >> >> >> > l10n.openoffice.org, >> >> >> > if >> >> >> > not I will give it a go, since it is in the scope of what I work >> on. >> >> >> > >> >> >> > The steps suggested seems quite fair, however I do not know who >> >> consult >> >> >> > with ? >> >> >> >> >> >> l10n was directed by Rafaela Braconi who was a Sun/Oracle employee >> >> >> so >> >> >> most of the direction got lost there. Most of the process was >> >> >> concerted with the engineers like Eike Rathke and Pavel Janik which >> >> >> deal with the l10n cws. I think Pavel still around, but not very >> >> >> active lately. >> >> >> >> >> >> > >> >> >> > jan >> >> >> > >> >> >> > On 18 October 2012 15:46, Alexandro Colorado <[email protected]> >> wrote: >> >> >> > >> >> >> >> On 10/18/12, jan iversen <[email protected]> wrote: >> >> >> >> > I have already put links in place, both on the localization >> >> >> >> > page >> >> and >> >> >> on >> >> >> >> the >> >> >> >> > original (not old :) ) document. >> >> >> >> > >> >> >> >> > It is now updated with you snippet. >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> Since we are in this topic there is also another branch that >> >> >> >> would >> >> >> >> need to be updated -- eventually. Which is the >> l10n.openoffice.org >> >> >> >> website. This was updated back in 2010 and most of the update >> >> >> >> process >> >> >> >> was documented here: >> >> >> >> http://wiki.openoffice.org/wiki/L10n_Web_Pages_Reloaded >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> We should use this docs as a framework to see in what stages we >> >> >> >> want >> >> >> >> to update the infromation and also to what extend. There is >> >> >> >> still >> a >> >> >> >> lot of infrastructure to be done specially on QA-Testing and >> >> >> >> release >> >> >> >> sync. >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> > >> >> >> >> > jan >> >> >> >> > >> >> >> >> > >> >> >> >> > On 18 October 2012 15:05, Alexandro Colorado <[email protected]> >> >> wrote: >> >> >> >> > >> >> >> >> >> On 10/16/12, jan iversen <[email protected]> wrote: >> >> >> >> >> > Don´t misunderstand me, I think everybody does a nice job >> >> >> >> >> > in >> >> >> getting >> >> >> >> us >> >> >> >> >> in >> >> >> >> >> > the right direction. >> >> >> >> >> > >> >> >> >> >> > I agree with the structure as such, it is just at the >> >> >> >> >> > moment >> a >> >> >> >> >> > pain >> >> >> >> >> > in >> >> >> >> >> the >> >> >> >> >> > neck when you search information (and not to forget, my old >> >> >> >> >> > horse, >> >> >> >> >> > the >> >> >> >> >> > multiple logins). >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> Is called transitional period. It seems Apache people dont >> >> >> >> >> want >> >> >> >> >> to >> >> >> >> >> deal with PHP, something that Sun didn't mind as much. So >> >> >> >> >> most >> >> >> >> >> infrastructure (Mediawiki, PHPBBs, Drupal) are in a virtual >> >> >> >> >> environment at the moment. >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> Multiple logins have always been an issue in OOo as a whole, >> the >> >> >> >> >> idea >> >> >> >> >> of implementing OpenID came out several times, but many >> >> >> >> >> people >> >> >> >> >> didnt >> >> >> >> >> seem to mind just having multiple accounts, so it never >> >> >> >> >> gained >> >> >> >> >> traction. >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> Now at apache, doesnt seem that different except for pootle >> that >> >> >> share >> >> >> >> >> your commit credentials with http://people.apache.org but >> >> >> >> >> neither >> >> >> >> >> forums, extensions or cwiki share these credentials. >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> > >> >> >> >> >> > I am just writing the last pages on "localization of AOO" >> >> >> describing >> >> >> >> >> > the >> >> >> >> >> > current l10n process as ground work for a discussion on >> >> >> >> >> > where >> >> >> >> >> > we >> >> >> >> >> > want >> >> >> >> >> > to >> >> >> >> >> > go. >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> Again this should be included in MWiki IMO so there is no >> >> >> >> >> 'old >> >> >> >> >> localization' and 'new localization'. I suggest a good start >> >> >> >> >> would >> >> >> >> >> be >> >> >> >> >> to create links between them and mark outdated information as >> >> such. >> >> >> >> >> MWiki had special tags for this. >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> <div> >> >> >> >> >> <span style="border:1px solid #CC7777; background-color: >> >> >> >> >> #FFEDED; >> >> >> >> >> padding: 4px; text-align: left; font-weight: bold; >> >> >> >> >> margin-bottom: >> >> >> >> >> 20px;"> >> >> >> >> >> [[image:documentation_exclamation.png|40px]] This article is >> >> >> outdated. >> >> >> >> >> </span> >> >> >> >> >> </div> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> > >> >> >> >> >> > I was suggested to make a subpage of the current page in >> Wiki, >> >> >> >> >> > that >> >> >> >> >> > will >> >> >> >> >> be >> >> >> >> >> > easy for me, but at the same time shows, that we need to >> >> >> >> >> > make >> >> >> >> >> > a >> >> >> >> >> > deadline, >> >> >> >> >> > freeze the wiki for a couple of days and divide the pages. >> >> >> >> >> > >> >> >> >> >> > rgds >> >> >> >> >> > JanI. >> >> >> >> >> > >> >> >> >> >> > On 16 October 2012 14:34, Rob Weir <[email protected]> >> wrote: >> >> >> >> >> > >> >> >> >> >> >> On Tue, Oct 16, 2012 at 6:42 AM, RGB ES >> >> >> >> >> >> <[email protected] >> > >> >> >> wrote: >> >> >> >> >> >> > 2012/10/16 jan iversen <[email protected]> >> >> >> >> >> >> > >> >> >> >> >> >> >> I know...it is just a matter of how many accounts do >> >> >> >> >> >> >> you >> >> want >> >> >> to >> >> >> >> >> >> maintain >> >> >> >> >> >> >> in order to help on AOO. >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> If I look for information regarding AOO I would look in >> >> >> >> >> >> >> wiki.openoffice.org, >> >> >> >> >> >> >> I would not think of cwiki.apache.org >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> or have I misunderstood something ? >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> rgds >> >> >> >> >> >> >> Jan I. >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> > If my memory do not betray me (I cannot find the thread) >> >> there >> >> >> >> >> >> > was >> >> >> >> >> >> > (sort-of) an agreement to use cwiki for development >> matters >> >> >> >> >> >> > and >> >> >> >> >> >> > the >> >> >> >> >> >> > traditional wiki for community support. But it is better >> to >> >> >> >> >> >> > not >> >> >> >> >> >> > trust >> >> >> >> >> >> > my >> >> >> >> >> >> > memory... ;) >> >> >> >> >> >> > >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> Historically there was a single website, >> >> >> >> >> >> www.openoffice.orgthat >> >> >> >> >> >> was >> >> >> >> >> >> both user-facing and project-facing. It was a single >> >> >> >> >> >> domain >> >> >> >> >> >> (openoffice.org) as well as subdomains for distinct >> projects. >> >> >> >> Behind >> >> >> >> >> >> this domain were static web pages, a wiki, forums, >> extensions >> >> >> >> >> >> and >> >> >> >> >> >> template libraries, etc. So behind the scenes it was >> >> >> >> >> >> quite >> >> >> >> >> >> complex, >> >> >> >> >> >> but to everyone it looked like "openoffice.org". >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> With the move to Apache the services were arranged >> >> >> >> >> >> differently. >> >> >> >> >> >> Bugzilla is under an apache.org domain. Apache >> >> Infrastructure >> >> >> >> >> >> supported CWiki and MoinMoin, but not MWiki. And all >> >> >> >> >> >> Apache >> >> >> >> >> >> projects >> >> >> >> >> >> have an official page in the apache.org domain. >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> So the idea was that we would have two different >> experiences: >> >> a >> >> >> >> >> >> user-facing "product" website at openoffice.org, where we >> >> focus >> >> >> on >> >> >> >> >> >> user-facing tasks like product information, downloads and >> >> >> >> >> >> support. >> >> >> >> >> >> And a project-facing website, at an Apache domain, with >> >> >> information >> >> >> >> >> >> for volunteers participating on the project. So product >> >> >> >> >> >> versus >> >> >> >> >> >> project. The split is imperfect, since there is still a >> >> >> >> >> >> lot >> >> >> >> >> >> of >> >> >> >> >> >> project-related content on the openoffice.org domain. But >> I >> >> >> think >> >> >> >> >> >> we've done a good job at making the user experience be >> clean. >> >> A >> >> >> >> >> >> user >> >> >> >> >> >> going to the www.openoffice.org home page does not easily >> >> >> >> >> >> find >> >> >> >> >> >> outdated content. However, some of the native language >> >> >> >> >> >> home >> >> >> pages, >> >> >> >> >> >> the ones not maintained yet, have a worse experience. >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> -Rob >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> > Regards >> >> >> >> >> >> > Ricardo >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> > >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> -- >> >> >> >> >> Alexandro Colorado >> >> >> >> >> PPMC Apache OpenOffice >> >> >> >> >> http://es.openoffice.org >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> > >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> -- >> >> >> >> Alexandro Colorado >> >> >> >> PPMC Apache OpenOffice >> >> >> >> http://es.openoffice.org >> >> >> >> >> >> >> > >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> -- >> >> >> Alexandro Colorado >> >> >> PPMC Apache OpenOffice >> >> >> http://es.openoffice.org >> >> >> >> >> > >> >> >> >> >> >> -- >> >> Alexandro Colorado >> >> PPMC Apache OpenOffice >> >> http://es.openoffice.org >> >> >> > >> >> >> -- >> Alexandro Colorado >> PPMC Apache OpenOffice >> http://es.openoffice.org >> > -- Alexandro Colorado PPMC Apache OpenOffice http://es.openoffice.org
