Yes changing is not time consuming....but checking afterwards takes a bit of time, especially testing all links
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On 18 October 2012 19:28, Alexandro Colorado <[email protected]> wrote: > at least thanks to svn, you can just do a recursive grep and even some > sed to do the search and replace across the file tree. :) > > But at the moment l10n doesnt even show incubator, still pointing to > the old [email protected] ML > > On 10/18/12, jan iversen <[email protected]> wrote: > > Now I understand why rob looked for volunteers to remove incubator :-) > > > > But split among a couple of people remove incubator would be a long > > evening. > > > > jan. > > > > > > On 18 October 2012 19:21, Alexandro Colorado <[email protected]> wrote: > > > >> FYI, this is the 10 foot view of the l10n www project: > >> > >> .:root folder > >> about-the-project.html > >> adding_language.html > >> all_supported_languages.html > >> build_env_changes.sxw > >> download/ > >> extract_merge.html > >> how-to-join.html > >> how-to-join.html~ > >> i18n_framework/ > >> index.html > >> index.html~ > >> index_old.html > >> irc-channel.html > >> L10N_Framework/ > >> l10n_style.css > >> languages.html > >> languages.sxc > >> localization/ > >> mailing-lists.html > >> mailing-lists.html~ > >> ooo_readme_how_to.sxw > >> reloaded/ > >> robots.txt > >> textattr.src.out.txt > >> textattr.src.sdf.txt > >> textattr.src.txt > >> Universal_i18n_framework.pdf > >> > >> ./download: > >> en-GB.html > >> quickdl.js* > >> > >> ./i18n_framework: > >> cldr/ > >> CTL_Feature_Priorisation.html > >> Grid_layout_for_CJK.html > >> Grid_layout_for_CJK_html_22133b8d.gif > >> Grid_layout_for_CJK_html_4a176f2e.gif > >> Grid_layout_for_CJK_html_734c5f8a.gif > >> Grid_layout_for_CJK_html_m680d2ef6.gif > >> HowToAddEncoding.html > >> HowToAddLocaleInI18n.html > >> index.html > >> IUC19_I18n_Framework.pdf > >> LocaleData.html > >> Open-sourcing_i18n_framework.html > >> Paragraph_Alignment.gif > >> Vertical_Writing_in_Calc.html > >> Vertical_Writing_in_Calc_html_35155795.gif > >> Vertical_Writing_in_Calc_html_m1a237ea2.png > >> Vertical_Writing_in_Calc_html_m72f34545.gif > >> Vertical_writing_in_Writer.html > >> Vertical_writing_in_Writer_html_4c2567ee.gif > >> Vertical_writing_in_Writer_html_51cc6311.gif > >> Vertical_writing_in_Writer_html_m1ed87497.gif > >> Vertical_writing_in_Writer_html_m349cc61e.gif > >> Vertical_writing_in_Writer_html_m621fddc1.gif > >> > >> ./i18n_framework/cldr: > >> LocaleDataAudit_OOo202.html > >> LocaleDataAudit_OOo_CLDR.html > >> > >> ./L10N_Framework: > >> Examples.inv/ > >> Getting_milestone_workspaces.html > >> How_to_localize_and_build_OpenOffice.html > >> How_to_localize_documents_of_the_extras_module.html > >> index.html > >> Intermediate_file_format.html > >> iso_code_build2.html > >> ooo20/ > >> Switching_to_newer_workspaces.html > >> > >> ./L10N_Framework/Examples.inv: > >> Language_49_as_source_and_fallback.txt > >> > >> ./L10N_Framework/ooo20: > >> Collation_in_ooo_2.0.html > >> config_options_in_ooo_2.0.html > >> how_to_patch.html > >> index.html > >> localization_checklist_2.0.html > >> localization_of_openoffice_2.0.html > >> localization_tips.html > >> oo2.0_program_translation.html > >> oo_images/ > >> openoffice_locale_.html > >> template.xml > >> translate.html > >> > >> ./L10N_Framework/ooo20/oo_images: > >> image001.jpg > >> imageCVS2.jpg > >> > >> ./localization: > >> About_TCM.html > >> English_Greek_OOo_Glossary.htm > >> English_Russian_OOo_Glossary.htm > >> English_Serbian_OOo_Glossary.htm > >> extras/ > >> G11n_and_DE_OOo.odp* > >> L10n_pilotprocess.html* > >> L10n_testplan.html > >> MultiLanguage_OO_Glossary.sdc > >> OOO_l10n.sxw > >> OpenOffice_Glossary.html > >> OpenOffice.org_en-US_Glossary.csv* > >> translation.html* > >> Translation_Process_technical_overview_v4-1.odp* > >> Translation_Process_technical_overview_v4-2.odp* > >> Translation_Tips.html > >> > >> ./localization/extras: > >> How-To_Manual_OOo-Extras.odt* > >> > >> ./reloaded: > >> how-to-join.html > >> index.html > >> irc-channel.html > >> l10n_style.css > >> mailing-lists.html > >> > >> On 10/18/12, jan iversen <[email protected]> wrote: > >> > I just learned something :-) > >> > > >> > I run windows7 for my "administrative" work, like browsing, but have > >> ubuntu > >> > 12.04 installed in virtualbox, together with a AOO trunk, where I do > >> > some > >> > development. > >> > > >> > I just did not know that the www was also in SVN, brilliant idea ! > >> > > >> > I will do svn co imitatively, and play with changes. > >> > > >> > That is no good, I get an error message from svn saying that the > >> repository > >> > is permanently relocated to <same address>, please relocate ? > >> > > >> > my svn works, because I have done several source updates today due to > a > >> > compile problem. > >> > > >> > > >> > The commit will have to go through a committer, but that is not a > >> problem. > >> > > >> > jan I. > >> > > >> > > >> > On 18 October 2012 18:54, Alexandro Colorado <[email protected]> wrote: > >> > > >> >> Well the process is not that hard, just need to do a site checkout. > >> >> http://incubator.apache.org/openofficeorg/source.html > >> >> > >> >> If you are on linux, installing subversion-client will do and > checkout > >> >> > >> >> svn co > >> >> > http://svn.apache.org/viewvc/incubator/ooo/ooo-site/trunk/content/l10n/ > >> >> localization > >> >> > >> >> A GUI app for KDE is kdesvn and for gnome is RapidSVN and windows > >> >> there is TortoiseSVN. > >> >> > >> >> Basically is a file explorer where you are able to update commit and > >> >> check the history of the file. > >> >> > >> >> will do. > >> >> > >> >> On 10/18/12, jan iversen <[email protected]> wrote: > >> >> > You are quite right. > >> >> > > >> >> > But then I will have a hard time helping to change > >> l10n.openoffice.org, > >> >> > even though it would be nice to get it done. > >> >> > > >> >> > jan. > >> >> > > >> >> > On 18 October 2012 18:31, Alexandro Colorado <[email protected]> > wrote: > >> >> > > >> >> >> On 10/18/12, jan iversen <[email protected]> wrote: > >> >> >> > I had a deeper look there and got one good question. > >> >> >> > > >> >> >> > Why do we keep l10n.openoffice.org ? > >> >> >> > >> >> >> Wiki is to work, website is the front of the project. Most > projects > >> >> >> just keep 2 or 3 pages on the www while having many on the wiki. > >> >> >> Usually people enter through the www and then redirect to the wiki > >> >> >> eventually. (likewise u will think on Apache.org -> > >> >> >> openoffice.apache.org) However OOo probably has more visibility > >> >> >> than > >> >> >> Apache in the real world. > >> >> >> > >> >> >> Static content such as processes, FAQ, and others were kept on the > >> >> >> www. While more dynamic information like Translating campaigns for > >> >> >> each version releases are on the wiki. Translating campaigns like: > >> >> >> Release 3.4 > >> >> >> > >> >> >> > >> >> >> > It would be easier to use the l10n page in wiki, combine it with > >> >> >> > information from l10n.openOffice.org and the localize wiki > page. > >> >> >> > > >> >> >> > Just as a side remark, that would make it possible for me and > >> others > >> >> to > >> >> >> > contribute. > >> >> >> > > >> >> >> > jan > >> >> >> > > >> >> >> > On 18 October 2012 18:07, Alexandro Colorado <[email protected]> > >> wrote: > >> >> >> > > >> >> >> >> On 10/18/12, jan iversen <[email protected]> wrote: > >> >> >> >> > Is there anyone left who feels "responsible" for > >> >> >> >> > l10n.openoffice.org, > >> >> >> >> > if > >> >> >> >> > not I will give it a go, since it is in the scope of what I > >> >> >> >> > work > >> >> on. > >> >> >> >> > > >> >> >> >> > The steps suggested seems quite fair, however I do not know > >> >> >> >> > who > >> >> >> consult > >> >> >> >> > with ? > >> >> >> >> > >> >> >> >> l10n was directed by Rafaela Braconi who was a Sun/Oracle > >> >> >> >> employee > >> >> >> >> so > >> >> >> >> most of the direction got lost there. Most of the process was > >> >> >> >> concerted with the engineers like Eike Rathke and Pavel Janik > >> which > >> >> >> >> deal with the l10n cws. I think Pavel still around, but not > very > >> >> >> >> active lately. > >> >> >> >> > >> >> >> >> > > >> >> >> >> > jan > >> >> >> >> > > >> >> >> >> > On 18 October 2012 15:46, Alexandro Colorado <[email protected]> > >> >> wrote: > >> >> >> >> > > >> >> >> >> >> On 10/18/12, jan iversen <[email protected]> wrote: > >> >> >> >> >> > I have already put links in place, both on the > localization > >> >> >> >> >> > page > >> >> >> and > >> >> >> >> on > >> >> >> >> >> the > >> >> >> >> >> > original (not old :) ) document. > >> >> >> >> >> > > >> >> >> >> >> > It is now updated with you snippet. > >> >> >> >> >> > >> >> >> >> >> Since we are in this topic there is also another branch that > >> >> >> >> >> would > >> >> >> >> >> need to be updated -- eventually. Which is the > >> >> l10n.openoffice.org > >> >> >> >> >> website. This was updated back in 2010 and most of the > update > >> >> >> >> >> process > >> >> >> >> >> was documented here: > >> >> >> >> >> http://wiki.openoffice.org/wiki/L10n_Web_Pages_Reloaded > >> >> >> >> >> > >> >> >> >> >> We should use this docs as a framework to see in what stages > >> >> >> >> >> we > >> >> >> >> >> want > >> >> >> >> >> to update the infromation and also to what extend. There is > >> >> >> >> >> still > >> >> a > >> >> >> >> >> lot of infrastructure to be done specially on QA-Testing and > >> >> >> >> >> release > >> >> >> >> >> sync. > >> >> >> >> >> > >> >> >> >> >> > >> >> >> >> >> > > >> >> >> >> >> > jan > >> >> >> >> >> > > >> >> >> >> >> > > >> >> >> >> >> > On 18 October 2012 15:05, Alexandro Colorado > >> >> >> >> >> > <[email protected]> > >> >> >> wrote: > >> >> >> >> >> > > >> >> >> >> >> >> On 10/16/12, jan iversen <[email protected]> > wrote: > >> >> >> >> >> >> > Don´t misunderstand me, I think everybody does a nice > >> >> >> >> >> >> > job > >> >> >> >> >> >> > in > >> >> >> >> getting > >> >> >> >> >> us > >> >> >> >> >> >> in > >> >> >> >> >> >> > the right direction. > >> >> >> >> >> >> > > >> >> >> >> >> >> > I agree with the structure as such, it is just at the > >> >> >> >> >> >> > moment > >> >> a > >> >> >> >> >> >> > pain > >> >> >> >> >> >> > in > >> >> >> >> >> >> the > >> >> >> >> >> >> > neck when you search information (and not to forget, my > >> old > >> >> >> >> >> >> > horse, > >> >> >> >> >> >> > the > >> >> >> >> >> >> > multiple logins). > >> >> >> >> >> >> > >> >> >> >> >> >> Is called transitional period. It seems Apache people > dont > >> >> >> >> >> >> want > >> >> >> >> >> >> to > >> >> >> >> >> >> deal with PHP, something that Sun didn't mind as much. So > >> >> >> >> >> >> most > >> >> >> >> >> >> infrastructure (Mediawiki, PHPBBs, Drupal) are in a > >> >> >> >> >> >> virtual > >> >> >> >> >> >> environment at the moment. > >> >> >> >> >> >> > >> >> >> >> >> >> Multiple logins have always been an issue in OOo as a > >> >> >> >> >> >> whole, > >> >> the > >> >> >> >> >> >> idea > >> >> >> >> >> >> of implementing OpenID came out several times, but many > >> >> >> >> >> >> people > >> >> >> >> >> >> didnt > >> >> >> >> >> >> seem to mind just having multiple accounts, so it never > >> >> >> >> >> >> gained > >> >> >> >> >> >> traction. > >> >> >> >> >> >> > >> >> >> >> >> >> Now at apache, doesnt seem that different except for > >> >> >> >> >> >> pootle > >> >> that > >> >> >> >> share > >> >> >> >> >> >> your commit credentials with http://people.apache.orgbut > >> >> >> >> >> >> neither > >> >> >> >> >> >> forums, extensions or cwiki share these credentials. > >> >> >> >> >> >> > >> >> >> >> >> >> > > >> >> >> >> >> >> > I am just writing the last pages on "localization of > >> >> >> >> >> >> > AOO" > >> >> >> >> describing > >> >> >> >> >> >> > the > >> >> >> >> >> >> > current l10n process as ground work for a discussion on > >> >> >> >> >> >> > where > >> >> >> >> >> >> > we > >> >> >> >> >> >> > want > >> >> >> >> >> >> > to > >> >> >> >> >> >> > go. > >> >> >> >> >> >> > >> >> >> >> >> >> Again this should be included in MWiki IMO so there is no > >> >> >> >> >> >> 'old > >> >> >> >> >> >> localization' and 'new localization'. I suggest a good > >> >> >> >> >> >> start > >> >> >> >> >> >> would > >> >> >> >> >> >> be > >> >> >> >> >> >> to create links between them and mark outdated > information > >> as > >> >> >> such. > >> >> >> >> >> >> MWiki had special tags for this. > >> >> >> >> >> >> > >> >> >> >> >> >> <div> > >> >> >> >> >> >> <span style="border:1px solid #CC7777; background-color: > >> >> >> >> >> >> #FFEDED; > >> >> >> >> >> >> padding: 4px; text-align: left; font-weight: bold; > >> >> >> >> >> >> margin-bottom: > >> >> >> >> >> >> 20px;"> > >> >> >> >> >> >> [[image:documentation_exclamation.png|40px]] This article > >> >> >> >> >> >> is > >> >> >> >> outdated. > >> >> >> >> >> >> </span> > >> >> >> >> >> >> </div> > >> >> >> >> >> >> > >> >> >> >> >> >> > > >> >> >> >> >> >> > I was suggested to make a subpage of the current page > in > >> >> Wiki, > >> >> >> >> >> >> > that > >> >> >> >> >> >> > will > >> >> >> >> >> >> be > >> >> >> >> >> >> > easy for me, but at the same time shows, that we need > to > >> >> >> >> >> >> > make > >> >> >> >> >> >> > a > >> >> >> >> >> >> > deadline, > >> >> >> >> >> >> > freeze the wiki for a couple of days and divide the > >> >> >> >> >> >> > pages. > >> >> >> >> >> >> > > >> >> >> >> >> >> > rgds > >> >> >> >> >> >> > JanI. > >> >> >> >> >> >> > > >> >> >> >> >> >> > On 16 October 2012 14:34, Rob Weir <[email protected] > > > >> >> wrote: > >> >> >> >> >> >> > > >> >> >> >> >> >> >> On Tue, Oct 16, 2012 at 6:42 AM, RGB ES > >> >> >> >> >> >> >> <[email protected] > >> >> > > >> >> >> >> wrote: > >> >> >> >> >> >> >> > 2012/10/16 jan iversen <[email protected]> > >> >> >> >> >> >> >> > > >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> I know...it is just a matter of how many accounts > do > >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> you > >> >> >> want > >> >> >> >> to > >> >> >> >> >> >> >> maintain > >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> in order to help on AOO. > >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> > >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> If I look for information regarding AOO I would > look > >> in > >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> wiki.openoffice.org, > >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> I would not think of cwiki.apache.org > >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> > >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> or have I misunderstood something ? > >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> > >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> rgds > >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> Jan I. > >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> > >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> > >> >> >> >> >> >> >> > If my memory do not betray me (I cannot find the > >> thread) > >> >> >> there > >> >> >> >> >> >> >> > was > >> >> >> >> >> >> >> > (sort-of) an agreement to use cwiki for development > >> >> matters > >> >> >> >> >> >> >> > and > >> >> >> >> >> >> >> > the > >> >> >> >> >> >> >> > traditional wiki for community support. But it is > >> better > >> >> to > >> >> >> >> >> >> >> > not > >> >> >> >> >> >> >> > trust > >> >> >> >> >> >> >> > my > >> >> >> >> >> >> >> > memory... ;) > >> >> >> >> >> >> >> > > >> >> >> >> >> >> >> > >> >> >> >> >> >> >> > >> >> >> >> >> >> >> Historically there was a single website, > >> >> >> >> >> >> >> www.openoffice.orgthat > >> >> >> >> >> >> >> was > >> >> >> >> >> >> >> both user-facing and project-facing. It was a single > >> >> >> >> >> >> >> domain > >> >> >> >> >> >> >> (openoffice.org) as well as subdomains for distinct > >> >> projects. > >> >> >> >> >> Behind > >> >> >> >> >> >> >> this domain were static web pages, a wiki, forums, > >> >> extensions > >> >> >> >> >> >> >> and > >> >> >> >> >> >> >> template libraries, etc. So behind the scenes it was > >> >> >> >> >> >> >> quite > >> >> >> >> >> >> >> complex, > >> >> >> >> >> >> >> but to everyone it looked like "openoffice.org". > >> >> >> >> >> >> >> > >> >> >> >> >> >> >> With the move to Apache the services were arranged > >> >> >> >> >> >> >> differently. > >> >> >> >> >> >> >> Bugzilla is under an apache.org domain. Apache > >> >> >> Infrastructure > >> >> >> >> >> >> >> supported CWiki and MoinMoin, but not MWiki. And all > >> >> >> >> >> >> >> Apache > >> >> >> >> >> >> >> projects > >> >> >> >> >> >> >> have an official page in the apache.org domain. > >> >> >> >> >> >> >> > >> >> >> >> >> >> >> So the idea was that we would have two different > >> >> experiences: > >> >> >> a > >> >> >> >> >> >> >> user-facing "product" website at openoffice.org, > where > >> we > >> >> >> focus > >> >> >> >> on > >> >> >> >> >> >> >> user-facing tasks like product information, downloads > >> >> >> >> >> >> >> and > >> >> >> >> >> >> >> support. > >> >> >> >> >> >> >> And a project-facing website, at an Apache domain, > with > >> >> >> >> information > >> >> >> >> >> >> >> for volunteers participating on the project. So > >> >> >> >> >> >> >> product > >> >> >> >> >> >> >> versus > >> >> >> >> >> >> >> project. The split is imperfect, since there is still > >> >> >> >> >> >> >> a > >> >> >> >> >> >> >> lot > >> >> >> >> >> >> >> of > >> >> >> >> >> >> >> project-related content on the openoffice.org domain. > >> But > >> >> I > >> >> >> >> think > >> >> >> >> >> >> >> we've done a good job at making the user experience be > >> >> clean. > >> >> >> A > >> >> >> >> >> >> >> user > >> >> >> >> >> >> >> going to the www.openoffice.org home page does not > >> easily > >> >> >> >> >> >> >> find > >> >> >> >> >> >> >> outdated content. However, some of the native > language > >> >> >> >> >> >> >> home > >> >> >> >> pages, > >> >> >> >> >> >> >> the ones not maintained yet, have a worse experience. > >> >> >> >> >> >> >> > >> >> >> >> >> >> >> -Rob > >> >> >> >> >> >> >> > >> >> >> >> >> >> >> > Regards > >> >> >> >> >> >> >> > Ricardo > >> >> >> >> >> >> >> > >> >> >> >> >> >> > > >> >> >> >> >> >> > >> >> >> >> >> >> > >> >> >> >> >> >> -- > >> >> >> >> >> >> Alexandro Colorado > >> >> >> >> >> >> PPMC Apache OpenOffice > >> >> >> >> >> >> http://es.openoffice.org > >> >> >> >> >> >> > >> >> >> >> >> > > >> >> >> >> >> > >> >> >> >> >> > >> >> >> >> >> -- > >> >> >> >> >> Alexandro Colorado > >> >> >> >> >> PPMC Apache OpenOffice > >> >> >> >> >> http://es.openoffice.org > >> >> >> >> >> > >> >> >> >> > > >> >> >> >> > >> >> >> >> > >> >> >> >> -- > >> >> >> >> Alexandro Colorado > >> >> >> >> PPMC Apache OpenOffice > >> >> >> >> http://es.openoffice.org > >> >> >> >> > >> >> >> > > >> >> >> > >> >> >> > >> >> >> -- > >> >> >> Alexandro Colorado > >> >> >> PPMC Apache OpenOffice > >> >> >> http://es.openoffice.org > >> >> >> > >> >> > > >> >> > >> >> > >> >> -- > >> >> Alexandro Colorado > >> >> PPMC Apache OpenOffice > >> >> http://es.openoffice.org > >> >> > >> > > >> > >> > >> -- > >> Alexandro Colorado > >> PPMC Apache OpenOffice > >> http://es.openoffice.org > >> > > > > > -- > Alexandro Colorado > PPMC Apache OpenOffice > http://es.openoffice.org >
