Dear Koray Atalag
First of all, "Yu" is my surname. You're right ! ^^; (most korean's name is
composed of 2~3 characters and last one is surname)
I looked MST as you wrote and I thought I may be able to translate MST
document into Korean but which will be beyond my scope because MST is a
official document. However if possible, I can try to contact my national
endoscopy association and collaborate.
And according to your email, I think you want to make endoscopic archetype
using MST (MST archetype). If it is right, because one of the reasons we
intend to use archetype is reusability, I think that you will consider most
MST archetypes as "Entry" level for diseases & normal.
And because endoscopy is used for Observation, Diagnosis and Therapy,
archetypes will be divided into "Observation entry" and "Action entry".
However because there are various endoscopies, e.g. EGD, Colonoscopy and
ERCP, I think these will be "Section".
In summary, if you make MST archetypes("Observation Entry" or "Action Entry"
level) and these are used in "Section"s (EGD, Colonoscopy, ERCP, etc.), it
will be satisfy reusability.
Lastly, I totally agree that clinical information model is made through
clinical domain knowledge and I will support your efforts.
With Best Regards
Seung Jong Yu MD, MS
ggojang at gmail.com
Research Doctor
Medical Information Center Lab.
Seoul National University Hospital
28 Yongon-dong, Chongno-gu
Seoul 110-799, Korea
+82-2-2072-1978
2007/9/13, Koray Atalag <atalagk at yahoo.com>:
>
> Seung Jong Yu wrote:
> > Dear Koray Atalag
> >
> > If you don't mind, Could I help your MST archetype extension in
> > translation?
> > I think it will be good for Korean language to be added.
> >
> > With Best Regards
> >
> > Seung Jong Yu MD, MS
> >
> > seungjong.yu at gmail.com <mailto:seungjong.yu at gmail.com>
> >
> > Research Doctor
> > Medical Information Center Lab.
> > Seoul National University Hospital
> > 28 Yongon-dong, Chongno-gu
> > Seoul 110-799, Korea
> > +82-2-2072-1978
> >
> >
> > 2007/9/10, Koray Atalag <atalagk at yahoo.com <mailto:atalagk at
> > yahoo.com>>:
> >
> > Dear Sebastian and others,
> >
> > I have always been very impressed with the 'mindmap'
> > representation of Archetypes so I would like to say thanks for the
> > recent work. One thing challenges me with multilingual archetypes
> > is to extend my MST archetypes so as to include all 11 officially
> > released translations (English, French, Italian, German,
> > Portuguese, Spanish, Russian, Hungarian, Czech, Turkish and
> > Japanese) within the ontology section! As there are many MST
> > archetypes, I recommend starting with existing MST_Colon archetype
> > first.
> >
> > Of course I will need support from people who speak those
> > languages as I am not familiar with them all. It is a lot of work
> > but not that I have finished my Ph.D. studies I have more time and
> > will to support openEHR community.
> >
> > So what do you (all) think? I guess it would be a good
> > benchmark/test archetype to test in numerous implementations.
> >
> > Best regards,
> >
> > Koray Atalag, MD, Ph.D.
> >
> > Sebastian Garde wrote:
> >> Dear all,
> >>
> >> There is a new version of the Archetypefinder available at
> >> http://www.archetypes.com.au where you can easily find the latest
> >> openEHR archetypes.
> >>
> >> Most noticable changes:
> >>
> >> * we have included a browsable mindmap for each of the
> >> archetypes now (see e.g.
> >>
> http://www.archetypes.com.au/archetypefinder/mindmaps/mindmap.html?openEHR-EHR-OBSERVATION.blood_pressure.v1.mm
> >> <
> http://www.archetypes.com.au/archetypefinder/mindmaps/mindmap.html?openEHR-EHR-OBSERVATION.blood_pressure.v1.mm>
> for
> >> the Blood pressure mindmap). Murat Goek from the University
> >> of Goettingen, Germany did the hard work on this one during
> >> his internship here with us.
> >> Feedback we got so far is that mindmaps bring
> >> archetypes closer to clinicians and makes it easier
> >> to organise and discuss the content necessary for an
> >> archetype. We would be really interested in your view on
> this!
> >> * we reference all the latest openEHR archetypes in all
> >> languages the archetype is available. This includes the
> >> approx. 50 archetypes that have recently been translated
> >> into German by Jasmin Buck, University of Heidelberg,
> >> Germany and myself. You can easily find them when you
> >> select Language=German in the Country tab. (There will be
> >> Spanish archetypes too soon I am being told!).
> >> * In the advanced search, you can search for additional
> >> meta-data now like 'other contributors'
> >>
> >> As always, please let me know any comments you may have.
> >>
> >> Cheers
> >> Sebastian
> >>
> >>
> >> Dr Sebastian Garde
> >> /Dr. sc. hum., Dipl.-Inform. Med, FACHI/
> >> //
> >> Faculty of Business and Informatics, Central Queensland University
> >> Austin Centre for Applied Clinical Informatics, Austin Health
> >> Heidelberg Vic 3084, Australia
> >>
> >> s.garde at cqu.edu.au <mailto:s.garde at cqu.edu.au>
> >> Ph: +61 (0)3 9496 4040
> >> Fax: +61 (0)3 9496 4224
> >> Skype: gardeseb
> >> http://healthinformatics.cqu.edu.au
> >> <http://healthinformatics.cqu.edu.au/>
> >> http://www.acaci.org.au <http://www.acaci.org.au/>
> >>
> >> Visit the new open access *electronic Journal of Health
> >> Informatics* (eJHI): http://ejhi.net <http://ejhi.net/>
> >>
> >>
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> Dear Dr. Yu (I hope I am not wrong with the surname),
>
> Thank you so much in your interest and offer for help with MST
> Archetypes. However MST is controlled and distributed by the World
> Organisation of Digestive Endoscopy - OMED (www.omed.org). This means
> any translation work, which is not conducted by associated national
> associations might not be officially 'valid' however possibly be useful.
>
> For downloading all language translations of MST and introductory info
> about MST refer to: http://www.omed.org/index.php/resources/re_mst/
>
> I guess the closest work for translation to Korean could be Japanese
> which is already there. In that case you might try to first examine that
> (the Japanese version is unfortunately not published on the Website) and
> then contact your national endoscopy association and collaborate.
>
> BTW I just discovered now that the MindMap also works for other
> archetypes published on openEHR site. It was interesting to visualize my
> archetype; it definitely looks more understandable ;)
>
> http://www.archetypes.com.au/archetypefinder/mindmaps/mindmap.html?openEHR-EHR-OBSERVATION.mst_colon.v1.mm
>
> In summary, related with multilingual archetypes, I agree that probably
> the first ones to be completed should be common and atomic concepts like
> BP, LAB, Apgar etc. but since that MST is already there in EN & TR and
> that 9 officially released translations are available it would be wise
> to give it a try. And please note that, while most other archetypes are
> representing atomic, simple clinical concepts, MST is unique in a way
> that it models a whole gastrointestinal endoscopy clinical domain.
> (MST-Colon and many other archetypes by forming a Composition).
>
> From my point of view, which was the motivation of my thesis research,
> Archetypes are equally useful/enabler for modeling and separating
> 'highly-volatile' parts of domain knowledge contained in a health
> information system. And yet, in addition to basic concepts, there may
> exist many different type of clinical forms and charts for data
> acquisition. So in my sense, in order to build a working clinical IS
> one has to be able to model all those "information molds carved by
> clinical knowledge" so as to be able to cope with complexity and
> changeability. I should also point out that these principles mostly
> apply to highly-specialized clinical information systems, such as
> endoscopy or sub-divisions of anatomic pathology. I will reopen this
> subject again for further discussion when appropriate.
>
> Best regards,
>
> Koray Atalag, MD, Ph.D
>
>
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