Hi Thomas

Op 19-jun-2008, om 8:22 heeft Thomas Beale het volgende geschreven:

>
> I have started a wiki page to help answer some of these questions -  
> see
> http://www.openehr.org/wiki/display/resources/EHR+versus+Messages
>
Thanks this is very helpful.

 From the discussion we seen so far (at least here in the  
Netherlands) the following will 'fire up' the discussion. So in  
between I've put some questions. I guess many more will follow:-)


Can messages be used to build an EHR?
A common idea among some people in health ICT is that an EHR can be  
constructed as a series of accumulated messages. This idea seems  
particularly prevalent in government, for the obvious reason that if  
messages, which already exist, could be aggregated within a central  
database, nothing more would be needed to create an EHR. However, an  
inspection of what is needed in an EHR and what messages provide show  
that this is not the case. The following sections explain why.

Messages come from more than one source
In any non-trivial health information environment, messages come from  
multiple sources - at least multiple pathology laboratories. The  
general case is that each such source uses slightly (or maybe  
radically) different message structures to transmit the same  
information. Often the software at some sources implement a different  
version of the same message, while other sources use a different  
system of messaging altogether.

[SV] I don't know if this hold true (and I want to be prepared for  
the discussion), but one could argue that since the messages used are  
centrally organized and everybody has to use the same messages if  
they want to be connected to the switch point/ communication  
infrastructure this issue is tackled.

Isn't one of the arguments that in order to create an (longitudinal)  
EHR based on data/information stored in different systems, these  
systems themselves have to be based on a common architecture in order  
to deal with these (differences in) versions/content and the medico  
legal issues arising from that.

How about context? Obviously a message can be as large as one  
chooses, but is it technically possible to add all  the relevant  
context in a message.

Clearly using a collection of such disparate as an EHR will not work.  
At a minimum, format, version and message system conversions would  
have to be made.

[SV] is there any literature or are there reports/presentations which  
support this? It might be easier to 'see' this when it's backed up  
with examples/ literature.

Cheers,

Stef
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