Most of these data points would be carried within any decently maintained EHR e.g. drug names, significant medical history, procedure, lab tests etc. and would be carried in regular clinical statement archetypes or equivalents as suggested.
However some other questions can really only be answered by an active investigator e.g pregnancy status and 'sick'. Ian Dr Ian McNicoll office +44 (0)1536 414994 fax +44 (0)1536 516317 mobile +44 (0)775 209 7859 skype ianmcnicoll ian.mcnicoll at oceaninformatics.com Clinical analyst,?Ocean Informatics, UK openEHR Clinical Knowledge Editor www.openehr.org/knowledge Honorary Senior Research Associate, CHIME, UCL BCS Primary Health Care ?www.phcsg.org On 17 February 2011 17:06, Seref Arikan <serefarikan at kurumsalteknoloji.com> wrote: > Thanks Ian, > The requirement for me is to have an idea about the archetype based > representation of the information contained in this dataset. > I can simply create a dummy archetype with simple datatypes, but that > would not be a representative of an archetype based system that would > be managing this information. > In short, I wanted to observe related archetypes in their natural > environment :) Archetype based data is going to become input for my > research at one point, and I want to make that input as close to real > life as possible. > > Best Regards > Seref > > > On Thu, Feb 17, 2011 at 4:43 PM, Ian McNicoll > <Ian.McNicoll at oceaninformatics.com> wrote: >> Hi Seref, >> >> What you have here is a classic example of questionnaire-based data >> collection, which made sense in a paper-base world but is totally >> out-of-whack if one is trying to retreive/pre-populate the data from >> an EHR. It is exactly the issues we discussed about DV_BOOLEAN vs. >> DV_CODED_TEXT >> >> >> If you take the first example >> >> on thyroxine: ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? f, t. >> >> EHR:: Query on ACTION.medication + Drug term >> >> query on thyroxine: ? ? ? ? ? ? f, t. >> >> on antithyroid medication: ? ? ?f, t. >> EHR:: Query on ACTION.medication >> >> sick: ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? f, t. >> Tricky !! Can only be recorded by the human investigator >> >> pregnant: ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? f, t. >> Tricky !! Can only be recorded by the human investigator . Notoriously >> tricky to keep track of a patient's pregnancy state >> >> thyroid surgery: ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ?f, t. >> >> Query on ACTION.procedure + Snomed term >> >> I131 treatment: ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? f, t. >> Query on ACTION.procedure + Snomed term >> >> query hypothyroid: ? ? ? ? ? ? ?f, t. >> Query on EVALUATION.problem + Snomed term >> >> query hyperthyroid: ? ? ? ? ? ? f, t. >> Query on EVALUATION.problem + Snomed term >> >> lithium: ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ?f, t. >> Query on EVALUATION.problem + Snomed term >> >> goitre: ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? f, t. >> Query on EVALUATION.problem + Snomed term >> >> tumor: ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ?f, t. >> Query on EVALUATION.problem + Snomed term >> >> hypopituitary: ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ?f, t. >> Query on EVALUATION.problem + Snomed term >> >> psych: ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ?f, t. >> Query on EVALUATION.problem + Snomed term >> >> TSH measured: ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? f, t. >> TSH: ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ?continuous. >> T3 measured: ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ?f, t. >> T3: ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? continuous. >> TT4 measured: ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? f, t. >> TT4: ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ?continuous. >> T4U measured: ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? f, t. >> T4U: ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ?continuous. >> FTI measured: ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? f, t. >> FTI: ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ?continuous. >> >> TBG measured: ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? f, t. >> TBG: ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ?continuous. >> >> Queries on OBSERVATION.lab_test.v1 and ? LOINC/SNOMED terms >> >> >> Realistically though you will probably have to re-create the Y/N >> questionaire!! >> >> What is the overall requirement? >> >> Ian >> >> Dr Ian McNicoll >> office +44 (0)1536 414994 >> fax +44 (0)1536 516317 >> mobile +44 (0)775 209 7859 >> skype ianmcnicoll >> ian.mcnicoll at oceaninformatics.com >> >> Clinical analyst,?Ocean Informatics, UK >> openEHR Clinical Knowledge Editor www.openehr.org/knowledge >> Honorary Senior Research Associate, CHIME, UCL >> BCS Primary Health Care ?www.phcsg.org >> >> >> >> >> On 17 February 2011 15:18, Seref Arikan >> <serefarikan at kurumsalteknoloji.com> wrote: >>> Dear all, >>> In the context of my PhD work at UCL, I'll be needing some archetypes >>> to model the clinical data which I'll be using. If by any chance. I >>> can get my hands on some existing archetypes which are likely to >>> contain the domain information that I'm working on, that'd help a lot. >>> At the moment I'm working on some thyroid data, and in worst case I'll >>> be creating a dummy archetype which would probably be a nightmare from >>> an experience modeller's point of view. >>> So if you know any existing archetypes (maybe in CKM?) which may be >>> relevant for the type of data I'm working on, it would be great to >>> hear about them. The following links point to descriptions of data >>> sets, which would provide an overview of the type of clinical data I'm >>> using at the moment. >>> >>> http://archive.ics.uci.edu/ml/machine-learning-databases/thyroid-disease/allhypo.names >>> http://archive.ics.uci.edu/ml/machine-learning-databases/thyroid-disease/thyroid0387.names >>> http://archive.ics.uci.edu/ml/machine-learning-databases/thyroid-disease/new-thyroid.names >>> http://archive.ics.uci.edu/ml/machine-learning-databases/thyroid-disease/allrep.names >>> >>> I'm likely to repeat this question based on other clinical data, but >>> for the moment I have not given up on using this data set. >>> >>> Best Regards >>> Seref Arikan >>> _______________________________________________ >>> openEHR-clinical mailing list >>> openEHR-clinical at openehr.org >>> http://lists.chime.ucl.ac.uk/mailman/listinfo/openehr-clinical >>> >> >
