Frederic, First, thank you for your answer! As your team builds the CH localisation, it is important to have a view from "the source".
Now, I agree that closing P&L accounts can be very confusing! I indeed ended up with empty reports. Unfortunately, as I mentioned already, putting the entries in the 13th period didn't help. I filed a bug report a few months ago, but I am afraid it was left unanswered. The reporting in very "weak" still, but we should hope for better! What I would like to have in the end is a way to compute these sums and write the net result at YE, passing through 9xxx or not. I find it handy for later reports (the 9xxx accounts), you have a figure ready for the margins, but it's not that useful... I have the feeling that from an accounting perspective, writing the retained earnings on 01.01 is not a good practice. i might be wrong... I will also have a look to Pexego's module, maybe it will shed some more light on the solution. I see that at least US, ES, IT, and CH use similar closing... thank you, Bogdan On 11. 05. 11 08:45, Frédéric Clementi wrote: > Hi Bogdan, > > OpenERP definitely generate an opening entry generating balances > brought forward... and logically it has to be posted on the on the new > fy 1st day. > > What is a bit confusing in the way openERP manage it, is that the > closing entry is included in this opening entry. > In theory we should have, one entry balancing all P&L accounts to the > P&L account (2990 in CH - through '9xxx accounts' if you like ) AND a > 2nd step bring the balance forward to the new fy. But with the OpenERP > CoA and financial reports...the first entry is useless because, when > you check previous years financials in CoA, you don't want to see the > figures after closing otherwise you see no figures in P&L > accounts...hope this is clear > > > Frédéric CLEMENTI > Business Solutions > Camptocamp SA > Tel : + 41 (0)21 619 1041 > http://www.camptocamp.com > > > > <mailto:[email protected]> > > > > 2011/5/10 Bogdan Stanciu <[email protected] > <mailto:[email protected]>> > > hello everyone, > > I have the feeling that one small area of the closing process is not > well covered. > > There is a account (reserve_account_id or > property_reserve_and_surplus_account) in the COA. Actually only a few > COA have it pre-configured, but one can configure it in the company > view. It seems that nothing really uses it, but it is there. the B/S > report wizard has it too (with a wrong domain - bug #780598) but > again, > it does not seem to be used. > > Now we use in Switzerland (not sure about all details, though) a YE > closing which consist in a few moves: > > There is of course the BS closing/opening which transfers assets and > liabilities as needed (through acc 9100) which is covered by the > "Generate Opening Entries" wizard. we just need to set the > centralising > opening/closing journal with acc 9100 dr cr and everything is there (I > suppose:-)) > > 1) all sales (acc 3xxx) go to acc 9000 (closing) > 2) all COS (acc 4xxx) go to acc 9000 > thus 9000 we would have the gross margin > 3) then overheads would go to 9001 (closing) > if the case the extraordinary results go also on 9001 dr-cr > 4) 9000 would go into 9001 therefore we get the net margin > 5) 9001 will eventually go into 2991 (current year P/L - Eqty) > > 6) at the opening 2991 would be emptied into 2990, accumulated P/L > - Eqty. > > I am kindly asking you for some feedback. > > do you have similar entries in your country? > if yes, how do you deal with them? > > i plan to make some kind of module of improvement. actually, if > everyone > needs it, the "account" module could be ammended. if not, it should go > somehow under the localised devs, in my case l10_ch or even elsewhere. > > i also have a few concrete questions: > - how would you write such entries? (1-6 above) > - the Swiss COA comes now configured with a opening period (00) > and the > 12 months (01 to 12). i feel that these entries should be done on Dec > 31st, not jan 1st (of the next year). is this important? I had used a > COA with a closing period (13 - 31.12 to 31.12) but the reports > did not > discriminate it from periods 01-12... any suggestion? > > thank you very much! > Bogdan > > > > > > _______________________________________________ > Mailing list: https://launchpad.net/~openerp-expert-accounting > <https://launchpad.net/%7Eopenerp-expert-accounting> > Post to : [email protected] > <mailto:[email protected]> > Unsubscribe : https://launchpad.net/~openerp-expert-accounting > <https://launchpad.net/%7Eopenerp-expert-accounting> > More help : https://help.launchpad.net/ListHelp > >
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