RE: HL7Klaus and Richard, Your conversation raises some interesting issues regarding the future of OSHCA. In its current form OSHCA is not incorporated nor does it have any formal governance....these were issues I brought up in the business meeting in London. It also does not have money....just lots of people who share the same vision and are willing to volunteer their time here and there.
Klaus....I think it would be of great value if OSHCA could provide its members with access to the HL7 standards. This with all its implications is certainly something that should be put to the OSHCA membership. By the way we are now at 27 members in the registration process. Cheers, Joseph ------- Joseph Dal Molin e-cology corporation www.e-cology.ca 1.416.232.1206 ----- Original Message ----- From: Klaus Veil To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] ; [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Wednesday, October 24, 2001 7:35 PM Subject: RE: HL7 Richard, Thanks for your offer of support! If the OSHCA group were interested in using HL7 as a standard, I would be more than happy to ensure that it could become an oganizational member at minimal cost. (The standard not-for-profit organizational membership is $300) I would then also propose to the HL7 Board that all OSHCA member get free access to the HL7 Standards. Klaus -----Original Message----- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: Thursday, October 25, 2001 3:01 AM To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Cc: '[EMAIL PROTECTED]' Subject: RE: HL7 The company I work for is a member of the HL7 group, so I have access to all the documentation. I'd be willing to work with the group if they want to work on HL7 implementations, and would be willing to provide help with the documentation. That way, the group does not need to subscribe to HL7 *right away*. I think it is important however, that if the OSHCA group wants to embrace HL7 as a standard, that the organization sign up as an official HL7 member. Having worked several years for companies that are members, I can tell you that the fees you pay are justified, because the HL7 group has a very solid EDI definition and does a lot of work. Great crowd all around! Also, I'm currently working with a few folks in Australia to continue the development of the HL7 interface I have started in Java. You can find that at http://www.nationalinformatics.com on the home page. Richard Schilling Webmaster / Web Integration Programmer Affiliated Health Services Mount Vernon, WA USA http://www.affiliatedhealth.org phone: 360.856.7129 > -----Original Message----- > From: Klaus Veil [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] > Sent: Wednesday, October 24, 2001 5:20 AM > To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] > Subject: RE: HL7 > > > Carlo, > > Just to clarify: apart from the $200 (students) or $300 (ord. > members) which > gives you membership and a CD of the current ANSI-approved > HL7 standard > V2.4, there are NO patent issues and/or payments due. The > $200/$300 is ALL > you will ever pay to get and use the documentation then implement and > distribute software that uses HL7 messaging. The subscription > fee is indeed > used for the meetings and for administration. > > The draft of second-most current version 2.3.1 can be > downloaded from: > > http://www.hl7.org/library/index.cfm > > Also, the latest model- and XML-based version ("Version 3") > is openly and > freely available at: > > http://www.hl7.org/home/content/HTML-menus/v3home.htm > > I have put the issues voiced at the London OSHCA Meeting to > the HL7 Board, > and we will continue to discuss how the standards could be > made available at > a lower cost to the open source developer community. > > Klaus > > ========================================= > Klaus D. Veil > > Research Fellow, University of Ballarat, Australia > Director, HL7 Board > Member, AHML Board of Management, Australia > ============================================ > PO Box 857, AVALON 2107, Australia > Phone: +61 412 746 457 Fax: +61 2 4787 1747 > E-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] > > Aust. HL7 Web site: http://www.HL7.com.au > ============================================ > > > > -----Original Message----- > > From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] > > [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]On Behalf Of > > Carlo Daffara > > Sent: Friday, October 05, 2001 4:56 PM > > To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] > > Subject: Re: HL7 > > > > > > > > I would like to add also my impression. Even considering > the good, relaxed > > and interesting presentation from the guy working in the > HL7 group, the > > main question (that of availability) was curiously not > answered, and the > > only result was "we need the money to do our meetings, etc.". > > This is the same answer that I got when I was working on > MPEG4 and MPEG7. > > The real answer is the same: the sources and documents of MPEG4 are > > available from ISO at a really low price (sources are 45$, I seem to > > recall) and can be freely used, distributed, and such as > long as the code > > and documents are used to implement MPEG4 compliant tools. > (Warning: there > > are patent issues to address, and pay). > > HL7 is the same. Just a note, for the people working there: > be more open, > > and say that the subscription is used for the meetings and for > > administration; I believe that everyone would pay happily the same. > > ciao > > Carlo Daffara > > > > On Thu, 4 Oct 2001, Andrew Ho wrote: > > > > > Dear colleagues, > > > > > > During the HL7 session at OSHCA 2001, there was a heated > > discussion about > > > the availability of HL7 spec over the Internet. There was > a general > > > impression that although HL7 is in the public domain, > those who are > > > interested in examining and studying the actual spec must > be willing to > > > fork over some cash to get a CD-ROM or hardcopy from HL7.Org. > > This puzzled > > > me at the time since an obvious solution would be for someone > > to pay for a > > > copy and make it available over http. It's in the public domain > > afterall. > > > > > > Apparently, several groups have done exactly this. HL7 > version 2.3 is > > > available from at least 2 university web-sites. > > > > > > Duke University - > > > html version > > > > http://www.mcis.duke.edu/standards/HL7/pubs/version2.3/html/httoc.htm > > > zip of html version (1.2MB download) > > > > http://www.mcis.duke.edu/standards/HL7/pubs/version2.3/html/hl7web.zip > > > > > > University of Giessen - > > > Microsoft Word version > > > > http://puck.informatik.med.uni-giessen.de/people/messaritakis/ hl7xml/hl7stan d.htm > > I have also added an entry in the OIO Library's Reading > Materials/Interoperability section - > http://www.txoutcome.org/scripts/zope/library/files/browse/show_contents/obj ectid-242 > > [credit: I discovered a link to the Duke HL7 site embedded within Jeremy's > very nice terminologies review document. I did a Google search and found > the Giessen site. Jeremy's very informative document has also been added > to the OIO Library under Reading Materials/Interoperability.] > > Enjoy, > > Andrew > --- > Andrew P. Ho, M.D. > OIO: Open Infrastructure for Outcomes > TxOutcome.Org (hosting OIO Library #1) > Assistant Clinical Professor > Department of Psychiatry, Harbor-UCLA Medical Center > University of California, Los Angeles > >
