Joseph, I feel that HL7 would prefer to deal with an organisation that has proper governance in place (incorporation would be "local" issue...). I also feel the issue of payment could be solved considering the special situation of OSHCA.
Klaus > -----Original Message----- > From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] > Sent: Thursday, October 25, 2001 10:35 AM > To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]; [EMAIL PROTECTED]; > [EMAIL PROTECTED] > Subject: Re: HL7 > > > > RE: HL7Klaus and Richard, > > Your conversation raises some interesting issues regarding the future of > OSHCA. In its current form OSHCA is not incorporated nor does it have any > formal governance....these were issues I brought up in the > business meeting > in London. It also does not have money....just lots of people > who share the > same vision and are willing to volunteer their time here and there. > > Klaus....I think it would be of great value if OSHCA could provide its > members with access to the HL7 standards. This with all its > implications is > certainly something that should be put to the OSHCA membership. By the way > we are now at 27 members in the registration process. > > Cheers, > > Joseph > > ------- > Joseph Dal Molin > > e-cology corporation > www.e-cology.ca > > 1.416.232.1206 > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: Klaus Veil > To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] ; > [EMAIL PROTECTED] > Sent: Wednesday, October 24, 2001 7:35 PM > Subject: RE: HL7 > > > Richard, > > Thanks for your offer of support! > > If the OSHCA group were interested in using HL7 as a standard, I would be > more than happy to ensure that it could become an oganizational member at > minimal cost. (The standard not-for-profit organizational membership is > $300) I would then also propose to the HL7 Board that all OSHCA member get > free access to the HL7 Standards. > > Klaus > -----Original Message----- > From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] > [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] > Sent: Thursday, October 25, 2001 3:01 AM > To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] > Cc: '[EMAIL PROTECTED]' > Subject: RE: HL7 > > > The company I work for is a member of the HL7 group, so I have > access to all > the > documentation. I'd be willing to work with the group if they want to work > on HL7 > implementations, and would be willing to provide help with the > documentation. > That way, the group does not need to subscribe to HL7 *right > away*. I think > it is > important however, that if the OSHCA group wants to embrace HL7 as a > standard, that the > organization sign up as an official HL7 member. Having worked > several years > for companies > that are members, I can tell you that the fees you pay are justified, > because the HL7 group > has a very solid EDI definition and does a lot of work. Great crowd all > around! > Also, I'm currently working with a few folks in Australia to continue the > development of > the HL7 interface I have started in Java. You can find that at > http://www.nationalinformatics.com on the home page. > > > Richard Schilling > Webmaster / Web Integration Programmer > Affiliated Health Services > Mount Vernon, WA USA > http://www.affiliatedhealth.org > phone: 360.856.7129 > > > > -----Original Message----- > > From: Klaus Veil [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] > > Sent: Wednesday, October 24, 2001 5:20 AM > > To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] > > Subject: RE: HL7 > > > > > > Carlo, > > > > Just to clarify: apart from the $200 (students) or $300 (ord. > > members) which > > gives you membership and a CD of the current ANSI-approved > > HL7 standard > > V2.4, there are NO patent issues and/or payments due. The > > $200/$300 is ALL > > you will ever pay to get and use the documentation then implement and > > distribute software that uses HL7 messaging. The subscription > > fee is indeed > > used for the meetings and for administration. > > > > The draft of second-most current version 2.3.1 can be > > downloaded from: > > > > http://www.hl7.org/library/index.cfm > > > > Also, the latest model- and XML-based version ("Version 3") > > is openly and > > freely available at: > > > > http://www.hl7.org/home/content/HTML-menus/v3home.htm > > > > I have put the issues voiced at the London OSHCA Meeting to > > the HL7 Board, > > and we will continue to discuss how the standards could be > > made available at > > a lower cost to the open source developer community. > > > > Klaus > > > > ========================================= > > Klaus D. Veil > > > > Research Fellow, University of Ballarat, Australia > > Director, HL7 Board > > Member, AHML Board of Management, Australia > > ============================================ > > PO Box 857, AVALON 2107, Australia > > Phone: +61 412 746 457 Fax: +61 2 4787 1747 > > E-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] > > > > Aust. HL7 Web site: http://www.HL7.com.au > > ============================================ > > > > > > > -----Original Message----- > > > From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] > > > [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]On Behalf Of > > > Carlo Daffara > > > Sent: Friday, October 05, 2001 4:56 PM > > > To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] > > > Subject: Re: HL7 > > > > > > > > > > > > I would like to add also my impression. Even considering > > the good, relaxed > > > and interesting presentation from the guy working in the > > HL7 group, the > > > main question (that of availability) was curiously not > > answered, and the > > > only result was "we need the money to do our meetings, etc.". > > > This is the same answer that I got when I was working on > > MPEG4 and MPEG7. > > > The real answer is the same: the sources and documents of MPEG4 are > > > available from ISO at a really low price (sources are 45$, I seem to > > > recall) and can be freely used, distributed, and such as > > long as the code > > > and documents are used to implement MPEG4 compliant tools. > > (Warning: there > > > are patent issues to address, and pay). > > > HL7 is the same. Just a note, for the people working there: > > be more open, > > > and say that the subscription is used for the meetings and for > > > administration; I believe that everyone would pay happily the same. > > > ciao > > > Carlo Daffara > > > > > > On Thu, 4 Oct 2001, Andrew Ho wrote: > > > > > > > Dear colleagues, > > > > > > > > During the HL7 session at OSHCA 2001, there was a heated > > > discussion about > > > > the availability of HL7 spec over the Internet. There was > > a general > > > > impression that although HL7 is in the public domain, > > those who are > > > > interested in examining and studying the actual spec must > > be willing to > > > > fork over some cash to get a CD-ROM or hardcopy from HL7.Org. > > > This puzzled > > > > me at the time since an obvious solution would be for someone > > > to pay for a > > > > copy and make it available over http. It's in the public domain > > > afterall. > > > > > > > > Apparently, several groups have done exactly this. HL7 > > version 2.3 is > > > > available from at least 2 university web-sites. > > > > > > > > Duke University - > > > > html version > > > > > > http://www.mcis.duke.edu/standards/HL7/pubs/version2.3/html/httoc.htm > > > > zip of html version (1.2MB download) > > > > > > http://www.mcis.duke.edu/standards/HL7/pubs/version2.3/html/hl7web.zip > > > > > > > > University of Giessen - > > > > Microsoft Word version > > > > > > http://puck.informatik.med.uni-giessen.de/people/messaritakis/ > hl7xml/hl7stan > d.htm > > > > I have also added an entry in the OIO Library's Reading > > Materials/Interoperability section - > > > http://www.txoutcome.org/scripts/zope/library/files/browse/show_co ntents/obj ectid-242 > > [credit: I discovered a link to the Duke HL7 site embedded within Jeremy's > very nice terminologies review document. I did a Google search and found > the Giessen site. Jeremy's very informative document has also been added > to the OIO Library under Reading Materials/Interoperability.] > > Enjoy, > > Andrew > --- > Andrew P. Ho, M.D. > OIO: Open Infrastructure for Outcomes > TxOutcome.Org (hosting OIO Library #1) > Assistant Clinical Professor > Department of Psychiatry, Harbor-UCLA Medical Center > University of California, Los Angeles > >
