GI seems to be supporting my second structure proposal. :) 2) The Executive Committee is made up of the four officers and it solely > focuses on the logistics which go into keeping the organization really > moving forward. (Things like Don's contract, the budget, and that each > Committee is making progress.) We would then have a Leadership Committee > (<insert better name here>) which is made up of the Executive Committee and > one chair from each remaining Committee. This Committee would be empowered > to tackle execution and coordination issues across the organization; much > like an executive team at a company.
On Sat, Jan 16, 2010 at 12:52 AM, Mike Jones <[email protected]>wrote: > I'm not proposing to add roles to the EC (although I realize that that's > how this thread started). I think it's the **one** committee that's > working fine as-is, so I don't think we should change it. > > > > I strongly agree with you that we need well-organized and accountable > committees. Those committees should meet regularly and report to the full > board periodically, (preferably usually by e-mail status reports), just like > the EC does. > > > > Adding lots of additional members to the EC, in my mind, is a formula to > break the one well-functioning committee we presently have. (Apparently GI > agrees with that assessment as well.) Instead, we should be focusing our > efforts on fixing the behaviors of the **other** committees. > > > > -- Mike > > > ------------------------------ > > *From:* [email protected] [mailto: > [email protected]] *On Behalf Of *David Recordon > *Sent:* Saturday, January 16, 2010 12:42 AM > > *To:* [email protected] > *Subject:* Re: [OpenID board] OpenID Update: Orientation Briefing Feedback > > > > This thread started as a proposal to add a relying party liaison to the > executive committee. Why does the Executive Committee have technical and > international liaisons, but not a marketing liaison? Why not a > legal liaison? My proposals both create a more formulaic method as to the > organization's structure rather than adding roles to the Executive Committee > in an ad hoc fashion. > > > > And with respect, I see fairly fundamental issues with how the Foundation > is currently organized. A board of twenty people is ineffective except in > face to face meetings. We must shift work into well organized and > accountable Committees and provide an organizational structure that > appropriately supports them. We must find a way to represent each Committee > in a regular fashion within a core execution driven group of the Foundation. > > > > --David > > On Sat, Jan 16, 2010 at 12:26 AM, Mike Jones <[email protected]> > wrote: > > With respect to the executive committee, I'm surprised that you're not > listing a third option: Let the executive committee remain as is. I for > one, I don't see it as broken, so I don't see a need to fix it. > > Herewith, I believe that the executive committee should remain the four > officers, plus an international liaison and a technical liaison. > > I *do* agree that the other committees should operate in a more accountable > fashion and report on their progress to the board more often. But doing > that seems independent of the EC to me. (The EC is the one committee that > *has* operated effectively and regularly reported on its results to the full > board -- a model that the other committees should emulate.) > > Covering all bases, I believe that the full board should meet about every > 6-8 weeks. 3 months is far too long between meetings at this stage of the > game. (I do believe that these meetings should be in person whenever > possible.) > > -- Mike > > > -----Original Message----- > From: [email protected] [mailto: > [email protected]] On Behalf Of David Recordon > > Sent: Friday, January 15, 2010 8:04 PM > To: [email protected] > Subject: Re: [OpenID board] OpenID Update: Orientation Briefing Feedback > > Hey Brian, > It sounds like I'm being slightly misunderstood. I believe that > either of the two following scenarios are reasonable. > > 1) The Executive Committee is made up of the four officers and one > chair from each remaining Committee. It's very likely that there will > be overlap between Officers and Committee chairs. This means that the > Executive Committee is around ten people. With strong leadership and > agenda setting these calls should be productive. > > 2) The Executive Committee is made up of the four officers and it > solely focuses on the logistics which go into keeping the organization > really moving forward. (Things like Don's contract, the budget, and > that each Committee is making progress.) We would then have a > Leadership Committee (<insert better name here>) which is made up of > the Executive Committee and one chair from each remaining Committee. > This Committee would be empowered to tackle execution and coordination > issues across the organization; much like an executive team at a > company. > > Part of my goal is ensuring that there is both regular accountability > of each Committee to a group smaller than the Board itself and that > each Committee has a meaningful forum to raise organizational needs on > a regular basis. > > I imagine that the full board then meets only once a quarter and each > Committee (including the Executive and/or Leadership) meets at least > monthly with the majority of their work occurring between meetings via > mailing lists. > > --David > > On Fri, Jan 15, 2010 at 4:54 PM, Brian Kissel <[email protected]> wrote: > > So its sounding like most people would prefer or at least be comfortable > > with keeping the EC small as long as we ensure that: > > > > > > > > · we have the right committees (i.e. make sure we add/have one > > focused on adoption with good representation by RPs) > > > > · the Committees have strong leadership (including board members > as > > co-chairs) and are communicating with the full board on a timely basis > > > > · the board and EC make sure that the OIDF is properly supporting > > the Committees and managing any cross committee functional issues that > may > > be relevant > > > > If that's the case, then the EC elections coming up next week will only > be > > for the Chair, Vice-Chair, Secretary, and Treasurer's positions. Don > > Thibeau as Executive Director is also a member ex-officio. > > > > > > > > In addition to the 6 committees that David has proposed at > > http://wiki.openid.net/2010-Planning, are there any other committees > that we > > collectively feel we should start out the year with? We can always add > and > > retire committees as necessary, but want to make sure we have the right > ones > > to start out the year. > > > > > > > > · Adoption. Charter: Develop OpenID as a product and largely > > working with relying parties to "bring the voice of the customer" while > > looking at branding, usability, and delivered value. > > > > · Government. Charter: Support the needs of the US Federal > > Government and other governments looking to deploy OpenID. > > > > · Security. Charter: Working with the Technology Committee and > > various Working Groups, ensure that OpenID's security model is > appropriate > > for how it is being deployed. > > > > · Technology. Charter: Oversee the technical Working Groups' > > progress and liase between them and the Adoption, Government, and > Security > > Committees. > > > > · Legal. Charter: Oversee, protect, and develop the > > Foundation's bylaws and IP it is responsible for such as copyrights and > > trademarks World-wide. > > > > · International Outreach. Charter: Coordinate and support the > work > > of OpenID communities primarily outside of North America. Collaborate > with > > OpenID Europe and Japan. > > > > > > > > Cheers, > > > > > > > > Brian > > > > ___________ > > > > > > > > Brian Kissel > > > > CEO - JanRain, Inc. > > > > [email protected] > > > > Mobile: 503.342.2668 | Fax: 503.296.5502 > > > > > > > > > > > > -----Original Message----- > > From: [email protected] > > [mailto:[email protected]] On Behalf Of David > Recordon > > Sent: Friday, January 15, 2010 2:43 PM > > To: [email protected] > > Subject: Re: [OpenID board] OpenID Update: Orientation Briefing Feedback > > > > > > > > And thanks for the edits! > > > > > > > > Personally I'm fine with the Executive Committee being the four > > > > officers assuming that it's scope and role is fairly small. > > > > > > > > Whether it's part of the Executive Committee or separate, I believe > > > > that there is a need for a regularly meeting group of the Officers and > > > > Chairs. This group would be smaller than the Board itself and ensure > > > > that the Foundation is supporting the needs of all of the Committees > > > > and tackle cross-functional issues. This group must be empowered by > > > > the Board to make decisions and thus progress. This is why I can also > > > > see a model where we re-charter the Executive Committee to have this > > > > role. > > > > > > > > I think about this much like how companies have executive teams that > > > > generally have one representative from each major business function. > > > > > > > > --David > > > > > > > > On Fri, Jan 15, 2010 at 11:42 AM, Brian Kissel <[email protected]> > wrote: > > > >> Thanks David, great idea. Highly encourage everyone to look at David's > > > >> document and provide your feedback. > > > >> > > > >> > > > >> > > > >> Cheers, > > > >> > > > >> Brian > > > >> > > > >> ___________ > > > >> > > > >> > > > >> > > > >> Brian Kissel > > > >> > > > >> CEO - JanRain, Inc. > > > >> > > > >> [email protected] > > > >> > > > >> Mobile: 503.342.2668 | Fax: 503.296.5502 > > > >> > > > >> > > > >> > > > >> Increase registrations, engage users, and grow your brand with RPX. > Learn > > > >> more at www.rpxnow.com > > > >> > > > >> > > > >> > > > >> From: [email protected] > > > >> [mailto:[email protected]] On Behalf Of David > Recordon > > > >> Sent: Friday, January 15, 2010 1:35 AM > > > >> > > > >> To: [email protected] > > > >> Subject: Re: [OpenID board] OpenID Update: Orientation Briefing Feedback > > > >> > > > >> > > > >> > > > >> I think better when analyzing proposals. So put > > > >> together http://wiki.openid.net/2010-Planning which lists the officer > >> roles > > > >> we need to fill and a stab at the various Committees and chairs (based > off > > > >> of this thread Don's deck). > > > >> > > > >> It's a wiki, please be editing! > > > >> > > > >> > > > >> > > > >> --David > > > >> > > > >> > > > >> > > > >> On Thu, Jan 14, 2010 at 10:30 PM, Chris Messina < > [email protected]> > > > >> wrote: > > > >> > > > >> It would seem that renaming Marketing to Adoption might be a prudent > move, > > > >> if it also brings with it certain criteria for success and metrics to > help > > > >> gauge progress. > > > >> > > > >> > > > >> > > > >> I think that the "Marketing" committee was ill-defined and had weak > >> support > > > >> - especially from a branding perspective where there is still no > agreement > > > >> on how important OpenID is a consumer brand. > > > >> > > > >> > > > >> > > > >> As such, I can see how the first priority should be Adoption, which > could > > > >> include pushing for the test suite and improving the libraries, which > >> would > > > >> be followed by a more rigorous marketing approach. > > > >> > > > >> > > > >> > > > >> Otherwise, I agree with focusing on committees, but I also think that we > > > >> need to come up with a better approach to encourage progress within the > > > >> committees, and for them to report their progress on the openid.net > >> website > > > >> and lists. I think we've done a poor job communicating with the outside > > > >> world what is going on with OpenID - and participation on these lists > >> alone > > > >> does not suffice. > > > >> > > > >> > > > >> > > > >> Chris > > > >> > > > >> > > > >> > > > >> On Thu, Jan 14, 2010 at 8:55 PM, David Recordon <[email protected]> > >> wrote: > > > >> > > > >> Yes, which is why one of our Committees must be directly focused on > > > >> making RPs successful. We need to disband our current Marketing > > > >> Committee - it hasn't done anything - and create appropriate > > > >> Committees with clear goals and leaders. > > > >> > > > >> --David > > > >> > > > >> On Thu, Jan 14, 2010 at 8:50 PM, Allen Tom <[email protected]> wrote: > > > >>> Given that adoption depends on RPs actually adopting OpenID, I think > it's > > > >>> important that we visibly demonstrate to the community that RPs (or at > > > >>> least > > > >>> potential RPs) have a voice. > > > >>> > > > >>> Allen > > > >>> > > > >>> > > > >>> On 1/14/10 7:23 PM, "David Recordon" <[email protected]> wrote: > > > >>> > > > >>> 2010 is the year where we must work on developing OpenID as a product > > > >>> beyond > > > >>> just a technology. That said, I don't think that extending the > Executive > > > >>> Committee with another appointed liaison role is the correct approach. > > > >>> > > > >>> This year we must also push work out from the Board into Committees. > >>> This > > > >>> both broadens the pool of people who can directly become involved and > > > >>> forces > > > >>> us as an organization to increase the value for non-sustaining members. > > > >>> > > > >>> I believe that the Executive Committee should be chartered to either: > > > >>> 1) remain small (no more than five) and perform the execution work not > > > >>> done > > > >>> in the Committees themselves, or > > > >>> 2) be made up of the Officers (president, vice president, secretary, > > > >>> and treasurer) and the chair of each Committee to focus on tackling > > > >>> execution issues across the organization as a whole. > > > >>> > > > >>> I am supportive of being more formulaic to the organizations leadership > > > >>> structure. > > > >>> > > > >>> --David > > > >>> > > > >>> On Thu, Jan 14, 2010 at 6:17 PM, Brian Kissel <[email protected]> > >>> wrote: > > > >>> > > > >>> Well, I guess I didn't wait ;-) As I said on the call yesterday, I > think > > > >>> Daniel's idea is a good one. We added the technical and international > > > >>> liaison roles to ensure we had sufficient breadth of perspective at the > > > >>> executive committee working level, and I think it served us well in > 2009. > > > >>> Given that we really want to continue to drive adoption and usage in > >>> 2010, > > > >>> having a representative on the EC that brings the "voice of the > customer" > > > >>> is > > > >>> a good thing. We have some new board members that bring that viewpoint > > > >>> and > > > >>> it would be great to make the most of this in the coming year. > > > >>> > > > >>> > > > >>> > > > >>> Cheers, > > > >>> > > > >>> Brian > > > >>> ___________ > > > >>> > > > >>> Brian Kissel <http://www.linkedin.com/pub/0/10/254> > > > >>> CEO - JanRain, Inc. > > > >>> [email protected] > > > >>> Mobile: 503.342.2668 | Fax: 503.296.5502 > > > >>> > > > >>> > > > >>> > > > >>> From: [email protected] > > > >>> [mailto:[email protected]] On Behalf Of Brian > Kissel > > > >>> Sent: Thursday, January 14, 2010 6:06 PM > > > >>> > > > >>> To: [email protected] > > > >>> Subject: Re: [OpenID board] OpenID Update: Orientation Briefing > Feedback > > > >>> > > > >>> > > > >>> Thanks Don, I'll wait a bit to see how others respond before putting in > >>> my > > > >>> +1 > > > >>> > > > >>> > > > >>> Cheers, > > > >>> > > > >>> Brian > > > >>> ___________ > > > >>> > > > >>> Brian Kissel <http://www.linkedin.com/pub/0/10/254> > > > >>> CEO - JanRain, Inc. > > > >>> [email protected] > > > >>> Mobile: 503.342.2668 | Fax: 503.296.5502 > > > >>> > > > >>> Increase registrations, engage users, and grow your brand with RPX. > >>> Learn > > > >>> more at www.rpxnow.com <http://www.rpxnow.com/> > > > >>> > > > >>> > > > >>> From: [email protected] > > > >>> [mailto:[email protected]] On Behalf Of Don > Thibeau > > > >>> (OIDF ED) > > > >>> Sent: Thursday, January 14, 2010 5:58 PM > > > >>> To: [email protected] > > > >>> Cc: 'Daniel Jacobson' > > > >>> Subject: [OpenID board] OpenID Update: Orientation Briefing Feedback > > > >>> > > > >>> OIDF Board Members > > > >>> Yesterday the new members of the OpenID Board of Directors received an > > > >>> orientation briefing on many of the plans and priorities we will > discuss > > > >>> on > > > >>> our first meeting Jan 20th. While not an official meeting, the agenda > > > >>> previewed some of key issues the new board will consider as well as > info > > > >>> for > > > >>> our budget development and committee process for 2010. The relevant > > > >>> content > > > >>> from the orientation briefing will be updated and included as part of > the > > > >>> background material for the teleconference on the 20th. > > > >>> > > > >>> For your information: > > > >>> One of the suggestions that came out of that discussion was a > suggestion > > > >>> from Daniel Jacobson that the views of relying parties can be best > > > >>> represented by the addition of a liaison on the executive committee. > It > > > >>> was > > > >>> suggested that this new role be similar to that of the international > and > > > >>> technical community liaison positions. These "non officer" positions > are > > > >>> part of the executive committee by virtue of board convention > established > > > >>> last year rather than OIDF by laws. > > > >>> > > > >>> Board Action Item: > > > >>> Please let me know if you are unable to make the teleconference on the > > > >>> 20th > > > >>> and, if desired, to whom you designate as your proxy. > > > >>> > > > >>> Don Thibeau > > > >>> [email protected] > > > >>> Executive Director > > > >>> The OpenID Foundation > > > >>> http://openid.net > > > >>> > > > >>> > > > >>> _______________________________________________ > > > >>> board mailing list > > > >>> [email protected] > > > >>> http://lists.openid.net/mailman/listinfo/openid-board > > > >>> > > > >>> > > > >>> > > > >>> ________________________________ > > > >>> _______________________________________________ > > > >>> board mailing list > > > >>> [email protected] > > > >>> http://lists.openid.net/mailman/listinfo/openid-board > > > >>> > > > >>> _______________________________________________ > > > >>> board mailing list > > > >>> [email protected] > > > >>> http://lists.openid.net/mailman/listinfo/openid-board > > > >>> > > > >>> > > > >> _______________________________________________ > > > >> board mailing list > > > >> [email protected] > > > >> http://lists.openid.net/mailman/listinfo/openid-board > > > >> > > > >> -- > > > >> Chris Messina > > > >> Open Web Advocate, Google > > > >> > > > >> Personal: http://factoryjoe.com > > > >> Follow me on Twitter: http://twitter.com/chrismessina > > > >> > > > >> This email is: [ ] shareable [X] ask first [ ] private > > > >> > > > >> _______________________________________________ > > > >> board mailing list > > > >> [email protected] > > > >> http://lists.openid.net/mailman/listinfo/openid-board > > > >> > > > >> > > > >> > > > >> _______________________________________________ > > > >> board mailing list > > > >> [email protected] > > > >> http://lists.openid.net/mailman/listinfo/openid-board > > > >> > > > >> > > > > _______________________________________________ > > > > board mailing list > > > > [email protected] > > > > http://lists.openid.net/mailman/listinfo/openid-board > > > > _______________________________________________ > > board mailing list > > [email protected] > > http://lists.openid.net/mailman/listinfo/openid-board > > > > > _______________________________________________ > board mailing list > [email protected] > http://lists.openid.net/mailman/listinfo/openid-board > > _______________________________________________ > board mailing list > [email protected] > http://lists.openid.net/mailman/listinfo/openid-board > > > > _______________________________________________ > board mailing list > [email protected] > http://lists.openid.net/mailman/listinfo/openid-board > >
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