On Oct 10, 2011, at 8:08 PM, Ken Gunderson wrote: > On Mon, 2011-10-10 at 18:53 -0400, Dan Swartzendruber wrote: >> And this continues to miss the point. This is what is so frustrating to me >> (going back years...) Techies like you guys make a decision based on the >> technical merits, but 95% of the manager/sysadmin types are going to look at >> the learning curve (and don't bother telling me it doesn't exist or is >> trivial - maybe in your book, not in theirs), and ask "why on earth do we >> want to do X when our admins will have to learn all kinds of new crap???" >> FWIW, if zfsguru was more stable and didn't have a single dev, I would have >> switched to it in a heartbeat. I know my way around most linuxes (and even >> freebsd) in my sleep, but honestly, it's beyond frustrating to find out that >> there is no obvious way to do the /etc/rc.local thing I kvetched about >> earlier (or an alternative, to put an entry in the crontab with '@reboot', >> oh wait, the opensolaris cron doesn't support that feature...) And yes, I >> know none of these things are killers in themselves, it's the death of a >> thousand cuts. Folks, I *want* opensolaris in some flavor to prosper, but >> when I hear evangelists complaining about "why should we make this MORE like >> linux, etc..." The answer "SO PEOPLE WILL USE IT?!" Sorry, I'm tired and >> out of sorts, and I saw freebsd lose this battle to linux years ago with the >> same short-sighted attitude and now it's happening again with OS (btw, does >> anyone have a comment about nexenta providing debian userland tools like >> apt?) > > FreeBSD "loosing" any battle is debatable. I do feel compelled to point > out, however, that Linus himself has said that if not for the legal > battle that was waging between att and uc regents at the time, he would > have just used bsd. Linux later experienced, and survived, some legal > wrangling of its own. > > Plenty of people use FreeBSD. And OpenBSD. Often w/o knowing as as > they silently pass/filter packets, server up smtp, http, etc. That these > desktop users are not running these platforms on their peecee's does > mean that they don't still use them extensively as they move about the > Internet. And I guess it is equally frustrating and exasperating that > some continue to just not get this. > > Peace :_)
I know my Ricoh printer is based on one of the BSDs (not sure which). Mostly I like the idea of the BSD license, which can accommodate open source or proprietary with equal ease. However, Ricoh carries the notion of a black box unless you've got megabucks well past the point where it does them any good, IMO. So although I despise the whole GNU ideology thing, there are times when it seems worthwhile that it exists as an alternative, if only to whack folks with. _______________________________________________ OpenIndiana-discuss mailing list OpenIndiana-discuss@openindiana.org http://openindiana.org/mailman/listinfo/openindiana-discuss