On Mon, 2011-10-10 at 20:26 -0400, Richard L. Hamilton wrote: > On Oct 10, 2011, at 6:53 PM, Dan Swartzendruber wrote: > > > > > And this continues to miss the point. This is what is so frustrating to me > > (going back years...) Techies like you guys make a decision based on the > > technical merits, but 95% of the manager/sysadmin types are going to look at > > the learning curve (and don't bother telling me it doesn't exist or is > > trivial - maybe in your book, not in theirs), and ask "why on earth do we > > want to do X when our admins will have to learn all kinds of new crap???" > > FWIW, if zfsguru was more stable and didn't have a single dev, I would have > > switched to it in a heartbeat. I know my way around most linuxes (and even > > freebsd) in my sleep, but honestly, it's beyond frustrating to find out that > > there is no obvious way to do the /etc/rc.local thing I kvetched about > > earlier (or an alternative, to put an entry in the crontab with '@reboot', > > oh wait, the opensolaris cron doesn't support that feature...) And yes, I > > know none of these things are killers in themselves, it's the death of a > > thousand cuts. Folks, I *want* opensolaris in some flavor to prosper, but > > when I hear evangelists complaining about "why should we make this MORE like > > linux, etc..." The answer "SO PEOPLE WILL USE IT?!" Sorry, I'm tired and > > out of sorts, and I saw freebsd lose this battle to linux years ago with the > > same short-sighted attitude and now it's happening again with OS (btw, does > > anyone have a comment about nexenta providing debian userland tools like > > apt?) > > > I'm interested in arrangements that allow traditional Solaris and GNU tools > to coexist. I'm not so interested in a pure Linux environment. I doubt that > coexistence is furthered by the choice of "apt" packaging. > > One could also imagine a Nexenta branded zone under a more conventional > Solaris environment. But that doesn't address the differences between > administrative tools. > > I'm not opposed to compromise. But I have zero use for an environment that > is exclusively to the advantage of those familiar with Linux. I've been > using Solaris since 2.3 (late 1993 - 2.x x<3 weren't worth using, except for > porting or familiarization). Linux was barely around then, and not > significant. The only reason that it caught on is that it was free (to use > or modify, but real support always costs), and a bit more accessible than the > BSDs were at the time. > > I have no more wish to conform to what's familiar to you than you do to > conform to what's familiar to me. > > Think of ways to provide co-existence or alternatives built on the same core, > and I'm fine with that; I've tossed out a few ideas along those lines. Keep > making the case for having it entirely your way, and I'll say that I for one > have no use for your case or anything, even millions of new users (yuck, > unwashed masses), that comes with your case. > > I've dialed it back a lot in this message. I don't mind people wanting > things their own way, as long as their way doesn't exclude mine. They do > that, and I don't handle it well at all, not with both of us on the same > planet.
This, I think, is pretty well said. -- Regards-- Ken Gunderson _______________________________________________ OpenIndiana-discuss mailing list OpenIndiana-discuss@openindiana.org http://openindiana.org/mailman/listinfo/openindiana-discuss
