JWrapper (no plug - I don't work for them or own stock) solves all of this - you have to bundle the jvm but it's small and the installation is hitch-less…
Oracle should buy them out - seriously! David On Jul 18, 2013, at 4:09 PM, ozem...@ozemail.com.au wrote: > +1 > > The various applet and Web Start deployment options are severly damaging the > entire Java brand. and should be discontinued ASAP. > > Even before the recent security issues raised their ugly heads there have > been several issues with either launching Java applications from within a web > page or running them as applets and the user experience has been dismal to > say the least. > > The main reason why Java applets had such a short-lived period of popularity > was because Flash came along. Flash applets started significantly faster, > didn't pop-up any security warnings and almost always "just worked". The > exact opposite was true of applets and, sadly, this has only gone further > downhill lately. > > For many years the browser vendors have gone out of their way to make running > Java in the browser a very painful experience for the end user. Now we have > the situation where most people assume every Java applet is a security threat > and avoid them like the plague. > > Anyway, I do not believe Java, JavaFX or any plugin-based technology has any > place in a web browser. This includes Flash and Silverlight. We have HTML5 > for that kind of app. Surely it won't be long until all browser vendors make > it *impossible* for Java to run inside the browser or simply not support > *any* plugins. > > What's the point of investing any further effort into the Java Plugin? Yes, > I know there are legacy apps and applets out there that need to run but > Oracle should be focused on getting JavaFX into the "modern" platforms and > their associated app stores. Why not issue an End Of LIfe bulletin that > signals the end of the Java Plugin so anyone out there still relying on Java > applets can have time to find an alternative. > > Let's face it, almost *all* the security vulnerabilities exposed in recent > months only affect Java in the browser. All the effort Oracle expends on > patching these vulnerabilities and tightening up the security model should be > spent on advancing JavaFX on mobiles and tablets. > > -jct > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: > "Daniel Zwolenski" <zon...@gmail.com> > > To: > "David Ray" <cognitionmiss...@gmail.com> > Cc: > "mike.ehrenb...@barchart.com Ehrenberg" <mike.ehrenb...@barchart.com>, > "openjfx-dev@openjdk.java.net" <openjfx-dev@openjdk.java.net>, > "JeremyJongsma" <jer...@barchart.com> > Sent: > Fri, 19 Jul 2013 06:47:46 +1000 > Subject: > Re: JavaFX 8 Progress > > > Among general complaints and my own disasters with it, I had this guy write > to me: > > http://web-conferencing-central.com > > The failure of webstart is making him lose customers (they literally are > emailing him and telling him it's too hard to install). This is one of the > very few commercial, public apps that use desktop-java and webstart (I'd be > keen to know about any others - I know of none that use jfx?). > > From what I understand of the work being carried out, I highly doubt any of > the fixes or improvements being worked on are going to help people like this. > > I love the idea of web deployment but it's failed and getting worse with the > complexities now added in your attempts to keep it secure. In my opinion, web > deploy should be deprecated or at least placed in minimal 'bandaid' only > fixes and all effort should be put into making native bundles actually useful > and into adding app store support. > > > On 19/07/2013, at 2:10 AM, David Ray <cognitionmiss...@gmail.com> wrote: > > > I don't want to open up the webstart can of worms here, but we have > > multiple issues surrounding recognition and validity of signed jars when > > using certain VMARGS in combination with OSGi style deployment. We finally > > settled on JWrapper due to WebStarts apparent "brittleness" - but as you > > say, this is neither here nor there as far as JavaFX is concerned… > > > > Anyway, thanks for getting back to us on the deployment tools organization… > > > > David > > > > > > > > On Jul 18, 2013, at 9:22 AM, Joe McGlynn <joe.mcgl...@oracle.com> wrote: > > > >> No, the deployment team works on these, not the FX team. It's the same > >> bits for FX and Swing/AWT when running browser-deployed apps (which > >> includes applets and web start). Deployment, FX and Swing are all part of > >> the Java client org. > >> > >> There are a number of bug fixed being worked in this area, as well as new > >> requirements around how to deploy a secure applet or web start app. The > >> deploy code base is currently identical between 7u and JDK 8. If you are > >> working with deploy technologies you should know this area is rapidly > >> changing and I'd strongly advise staying on the latest release (currently > >> 7u40 EA) and following the updates to the docs, especially around best > >> practices for deployment. > >> > >> In short, these are: > >> > >> Buy a code signing certificate from a recognized CA and sign your app > >> Use the new "permissions" and "codebase" JAR manifest attributes > >> > >> I'd recommend avoiding the use of "mixed code" if at all possible as that > >> results in additional warning prompts to the end user and additional > >> runtime risks. > >> > >> I'd also recommend testing your app with the security slider at the "Very > >> High" level with every update of the JRE. Typically new restrictions are > >> introduced first at Very High, and then propagated down into High and > >> ultimately Medium over time. > >> > >> If there are problems using deployment with FX, of course report the issue > >> and the team will investigate. I'm aware of one problem that causes some > >> FX web start apps not to work with the latest release. It's being > >> investigated right now. > >> > >> > >> > >> On Jul 18, 2013, at 6:40 AM, Daniel Zwolenski <zon...@gmail.com> wrote: > >> > >>> Sure, but no one other than the JFX team are (or will be) working on these > >>> right? They are effectively desktop technologies and no other team has any > >>> interest in them I'm guessing? > >>> > >>> I'd assume if they're not on the JFX roadmap, they're not on the Java > >>> roadmap? > >>> > >>> > >>> On Thu, Jul 18, 2013 at 9:48 PM, Artem Ananiev > >>> <artem.anan...@oracle.com>wrote: > >>> > >>>> > >>>> On 7/18/2013 3:00 AM, David Ray wrote: > >>>> > >>>>> Hi Richard, > >>>>> > >>>>> I don't see any mention of WebStart and JavaFX on the milestone list - > >>>>> are issues surrounding (and suffocating :)) WebStart going to addressed > >>>>> as > >>>>> part of the JDK release 8 instead? > >>>>> > >>>> > >>>> Java Plugin and Java Web Start are not parts of JavaFX (although JavaFX > >>>> provides some APIs for them), they are shared between JDK and JavaFX and > >>>> released as a part of Oracle JDK8 (not included to OpenJDK). > >>>> > >>>> Thanks, > >>>> > >>>> Artem > >>>> > >>>> > >>>> David > >>>>> > >>>>> Sent from my iPhone > >>>>> > >>>>> On Jul 17, 2013, at 12:06 PM, Richard Bair <richard.b...@oracle.com> > >>>>> wrote: > >>>>> > >>>>> Hi Peter, > >>>>>> > >>>>>> Our dates match up with JDK 8: http://openjdk.java.net/** > >>>>>> projects/jdk8/milestones<http://openjdk.java.net/projects/jdk8/milestones> > >>>>>> > >>>>>> Feature complete was a month ago (but little API tweaks continue to > >>>>>> happen). Things are supposed to be reasonably stable by October 24 > >>>>>> (Zero > >>>>>> Bug Bounce http://openjdk.java.net/**projects/jdk8/milestones#Zero_** > >>>>>> Bug_Bounce<http://openjdk.java.net/projects/jdk8/milestones#Zero_Bug_Bounce>) > >>>>>> and GA in March. > >>>>>> > >>>>>> Richard > >>>>>> > >>>>>> On Jul 17, 2013, at 9:52 AM, Peter Penzov <peter.pen...@gmail.com> > >>>>>> wrote: > >>>>>> > >>>>>> Hi, > >>>>>>> I'm new to JavaFX I'm interested what is the current progress of > >>>>>>> development of JavaFX 8. I want to use it for base framework for my > >>>>>>> enterprise application but I have concerns is it stable to be used? > >>>>>>> Can > >>>>>>> you > >>>>>>> give me some information do you plan to add something else before the > >>>>>>> official release? > >>>>>>> > >>>>>>> Best wishes, > >>>>>>> Peter > >>>>>>> > >>>>>> > >>>>>> > >> > > >
